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chris121  
#1 Posted : 17 September 2010 13:21:45(UTC)
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chris121

Hi all - I have a client who is wishing to appeal a recent improvement notice served on a machine as they believe they have taken all reasonable steps to guard/make safe moving parts. Being aware of the right to appeal but never having had to do this untill now, I was after any info or guidance you may have on this subject Many thanks. Chris
grim72  
#2 Posted : 17 September 2010 13:27:07(UTC)
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firesafety101  
#3 Posted : 17 September 2010 13:34:50(UTC)
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firesafety101

Have the reasonable steps been taken after the IN was issued? If so just contact the enforcing officer and ask to have it removed. If the steps were before the notice then an appeal is likely to fail. Do what the enforcing officer has required then have it removed. I tried to have one removed a few years ago but the HSE Inspector would have none of it.
Martin Rennie  
#4 Posted : 17 September 2010 13:36:17(UTC)
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Martin Rennie

Your client has 21 days to appeal against the notice. With it being an improvement notice they can continue to work in this manner until the appeal is concluded. However as you know you will need to prove that your client has met the minimum legal standards. The only appeals I have identified successful were issues where the enforcing authority audited the business against their own arrangements which were later found to have been set at more than the legal requirement and on appeal it was found that the companies had been at least complying to minimum legal standards albeit not in line with their own policy. The notice itself will have details of how you enter appeal.
Clairel  
#5 Posted : 17 September 2010 13:41:23(UTC)
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Clairel

I'm assuming what you're saying is that you disagree with the Inspector on what is a reasonable level of guarding?. On older machines where guarding gets retro fitted that certainly happens. If you were served an Improvement Notice then the Inspector also had a legal obligation to provide you with information on how to appeal the Notice (it's been a while I can't remember the ref for the information booklet). If they did not give you this information then ring up the office and ask for the information, they legally have to provide you with details of how to appeal. The Notice will be suspended whilst you appeal (but only once you have appealed). Some people successfully appeal some don't. It's not down to the inspector whether the appeal is successful (that would be silly) it's a seperate body that decides.
xRockape  
#6 Posted : 17 September 2010 15:16:27(UTC)
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xRockape

Appeals enquiry line 0845 7573722
mikecarr  
#7 Posted : 17 September 2010 15:25:21(UTC)
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mikecarr

Well if Lord young has his way your client won't have to worry about any notices at all!
Clairel  
#8 Posted : 17 September 2010 15:35:13(UTC)
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Clairel

MikeC #2 wrote:
Well if Lord young has his way your client won't have to worry about any notices at all!
Groan. Here we go again......... Does everything have to revert back to the Lord Young review? Sorry, but getting a bit fed up of it to be honest. Can't we just carry on as usual without dragging it back down to that level all the time. Let's just get on with what we do and continue to offer advice and debate issues on this forum but lets not keep harping on about something so negative, when we don't even know what impact it will have, if any.
Ron Hunter  
#9 Posted : 17 September 2010 23:53:05(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Chris, Often (but not always) the IN will describe, or at least give some pointers, within an attached Schedule as to what the Inspector had in mind. Failing that, why not suggest they contact the Inspector to get his pov? There would seem to be some scope here, otherwise your Client would have been issued a PN.
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