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mikecarr  
#1 Posted : 29 September 2010 08:24:47(UTC)
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mikecarr

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11428833 Seems reasonable to me. Artillerymen & the Infantry wear hearing protection so the bandsman shoud be entilted to protect their hearing too. No doubt the "elf n Safety" gone mad strories will follow
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 29 September 2010 09:42:38(UTC)
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RayRapp

I have no doubt the h&s knockers will enjoy this story. It would be interesting to know what noise levels and duration these bandsmen are exposed to and also what evidence there is of anyone having previously suffered hearing damage as a result of being exposed to band music. After all, there are plenty of people using MP3 players with headphones who are exposed to similar noise levels, but not I'm not aware of any cases of permanent hearing damage. I do wonder if it is 'elf and safety gorn mad?
Ciarán Delaney  
#3 Posted : 29 September 2010 09:45:34(UTC)
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Morning Ray, Believe it or not, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence of drummers suffering from hearing loss.
mikecarr  
#4 Posted : 29 September 2010 09:53:18(UTC)
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mikecarr

I'm an ex Infantyman. whenever we went to the range we wore hearing protection. Of course it's differnt on Operations however not eveyone fires weapons or is exposed to constant high levels of noise on the frontline all of the time I spent 6mths in Somalia & 12mts in Rawanda with the UN and only fired a few rounds I work with an ex bandsam who did 25yrs and is now in a TA band. He has noise induced hearing loss probably from poorly designed practice rooms where they spent most days of the week
David Bannister  
#5 Posted : 29 September 2010 10:07:35(UTC)
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David Bannister

MikeC#2, I too have slight NIHL, caused I believe from playing in a youth band for several years in a small practice room. It wasn't the live performances that caused the problem (relatively few) but the regular practice. Ray, there are some well known rock musicians who have hearing damage, Pete Townshend being perhaps the most well known. Look closely at many perfroming musicians and they can be seen to be wearing some form of hearing protection. Sounds like sound H&S practice to me!
firesafety101  
#6 Posted : 29 September 2010 10:43:03(UTC)
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firesafety101

Originally Posted by: Ciará Go to Quoted Post
Morning Ray, Believe it or not, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence of drummers suffering from hearing loss.
What was that you said :-) I played drums in groups (that's what they were way back in the 60's) and have suffered hearing loss. I put it down to sitting inside fire engines for 20 years or so while the two tones were blasting away.
RayRapp  
#7 Posted : 29 September 2010 11:49:02(UTC)
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RayRapp

I thought my response might provoke some interesting comments. I think we need to consider that there will always be cases where noise induced hearing loss has occurred due to various noisy environments. Are these the extreme or the tip of the iceberg? I too suffer from hearing loss, although my wife says it's selective hearing loss and attributable the male species. Seriously, I was a train driver for nearly 20 years and I believe the noise resulting from rails, tunnels, points and so on, has contributed to my ailment. That said, hearing loss is a natural phenomenon which occurs with age. My eye site has also deteriorated in the last ten years and now I have to wear reading glasses, with millions of others, but I cannot put this down to anything other than natural deterioration due to age. Sad but true. Golf swing still as good as ever... :)
Ken Slack  
#8 Posted : 29 September 2010 11:56:05(UTC)
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Ken Slack

Interesting take RayRapp, but as a medic in the army for 26 years it is different when you see NIHL and tinnitus in young men and women. Having said that one of the biggest hazards for hearing loss in the services is when they are 'on tour', when reacting to enemy fire there is not always time to dig into your kit to get your ear defence out..
Ron Hunter  
#9 Posted : 29 September 2010 13:20:16(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Many performers wear hearing protection (David Gilmour, Muse etc.) -hardly newsworthy. And Pete Townsend probably wishes he had done.
mikecarr  
#10 Posted : 29 September 2010 13:49:18(UTC)
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mikecarr

quote=Ken Slack]Interesting take RayRapp, but as a medic in the army for 26 years it is different when you see NIHL and tinnitus in young men and women. Having said that one of the biggest hazards for hearing loss in the services is when they are 'on tour', when reacting to enemy fire there is not always time to dig into your kit to get your ear defence out..
I don't think anyone would expect frontline troops to have to dig out hearing protection while under fire, although I'm sure the DM will follow this story up with something like that. Saying that...mortor men & the artillery wear it on the frontline If NIHL can be prevented on a young bandsman, like it is for an infantryman while on the rifle range then why not I say
Safety Smurf  
#11 Posted : 29 September 2010 15:15:04(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

I think if any solider is exposed to enemy fire for so long that they develop NIHL then their hearing is likely to be the least of their worries (assuming burst ear drums from a blast front doesn't count as NIHL)
RayRapp  
#12 Posted : 29 September 2010 17:25:35(UTC)
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RayRapp

'I think if any solider is exposed to enemy fire for so long that they develop NIHL then their hearing is likely to be the least of their worries (assuming burst ear drums from a blast front doesn't count as NIHL)' Nice one Smurf.
wizzpete  
#13 Posted : 07 October 2010 09:53:21(UTC)
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wizzpete

It's not the enemy's fire that causes your hearing to be damaged (by the time you hear the noise, the bullet has - hopefully - gone past you) but the noise of your own weapon's ammunition initiation right next to your ear and the noise from your mates' weapons near to you. And that's without larger calibre weapons. All soldiers on operations are encouraged to wear ear defence (the Army now issue personalised in-ear moulded defenders, so not the big ear defenders most people assume) at all times when deployed and it is compulsory during training. The requirement for members of a band to wear them is because the noise - consider reverberation marching down a street on a parade - is beyond all the action levels defined in the Noise at Work regs and so the MOD has a duty, as the employer, to introduce control measures. On the plus side, the band don't play whilst under enemy fire :)
Ron Hunter  
#14 Posted : 07 October 2010 11:09:01(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Not these days. Can't help but be impressed and touched by Bill Millin's heroic actions - as portrayed in the film, 'The Longest Day' -though. See: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-11019795 'D-Day landing piper dies aged 88'
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