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DHM  
#1 Posted : 29 September 2010 21:43:17(UTC)
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DHM

Hi All I don't usually post on the forum so late in the day but I was asked by a colleague about this. He drives for work and private use and the seat in his car is so uncomfortable that he has to sit 'almost sideways' in the driving seat in order to be comfortable in the driving position. Clearly this is not ideal situation. Can anyone give me some guidance on this? Does it come under PUWER? Someone else mentioned that if he drove over a certain number of miles he would 'qualify' for action to be taken by the Co. to change his vehicle? I need to be able to justify the costs of changing his car to his Line Manager amongst others and I know that he is in some degree of discomfort. If anyone can help then that would be great! DHM
bob youel  
#2 Posted : 30 September 2010 07:18:48(UTC)
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bob youel

the person needs to get medical attention in the first instance and fast as its highly unusual these days for the seats etc to be such that a person cannot sit properly - Additionally if the car is supplied for company use stop the person using it for private use and that will reduce exposure in the first instance If the person hits another vehicle they will be had for the offence in the first instance and their style of driving will be questioned as if it is such that they were not in proper control it will be their fault
Safety Smurf  
#3 Posted : 30 September 2010 09:15:22(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Hmm? Is it rear wheel drive?
fornhelper  
#4 Posted : 30 September 2010 10:05:46(UTC)
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fornhelper

Santa brought me a 'beaded seat' last Christmas. Since I have used it in the car the regular back pain and discomfort that I felt after car journeys has miraculously disappeared!! I must admit I was sceptical about its worth at first but now I wouldn't be without it. FH
DHM  
#5 Posted : 30 September 2010 10:16:13(UTC)
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DHM

Thanks for responses, for clarification the car is fitted with a bucket style seat. The chap in question has a 'wide' posterior which does not 'fit' into the seat. Under what legislation can I persuade the Management to change his seat/car? Cheers DHM
David Bannister  
#6 Posted : 30 September 2010 10:37:56(UTC)
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David Bannister

Does your car policy allow for private provision of vehicles and a mileage allowance? That way he could choose his own car and seat.Maybe a case for a "special case" However, if this chap has such a wide posterior that he is unable to drive safely then that becomes a whole different issue which is likely to need HR expertise.
Ron Hunter  
#7 Posted : 30 September 2010 10:48:01(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

This is not PUWER, neither in my opinion is this a concern of the employer. Your colleague needs to buy another car, or else have someone fit a different seat to the car he has. If he has a registered disability he should be able to get some financial assistance with this - but NOT from his employer.
Juan Carlos Arias  
#8 Posted : 30 September 2010 11:33:31(UTC)
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Juan Carlos Arias

quote=ron hunter]This is not PUWER, neither in my opinion is this a concern of the employer. Your colleague needs to buy another car, or else have someone fit a different seat to the car he has. If he has a registered disability he should be able to get some financial assistance with this - but NOT from his employer.
Actually I think the employer has to do something about it. The employer has the responsibility to provide the right tools for the task. If I get employed by a company and they provide a car in which I don't even reach the pedals, then that would be the employer's problem, wouldn't it?
Safety Smurf  
#9 Posted : 30 September 2010 11:44:09(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Did this chap pick this make and model himself?
grim72  
#10 Posted : 30 September 2010 11:46:38(UTC)
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grim72

I'm guessing that the driver in question actually 'owns' the car but he uses it for work purposes too? If that is the situation then I might suggest that the driver should use a 'pool car' for any work activities, what he decides to drive for personal usage is then down to himself but I'm unsure why he would chose to use bucket seats when it is obviously causing such discomfort.
jwk  
#11 Posted : 30 September 2010 12:17:33(UTC)
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jwk

If it's a lease car then the employer absolutely should take action on this. It's not PUWER, as private cars are specifically excluded (though the meaning of private car is open to differing interpretations), but there is still a general duty to provide safe plant and systems of work. We have a single manufacturer policy for our company cars as we have links with the Czech Republic, so we all get Skodas; mine's an Octavia Estate and it is a very good car, before any die-hards start cracking Skoda jokes (soo 20th Century!). However, one of my team has long-term problems withher knees, so she got a Citroen; the Skoda seats just didn't work for her, John
Juan Carlos Arias  
#12 Posted : 30 September 2010 12:58:01(UTC)
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Juan Carlos Arias

Skoda jokes? do you mean something like this....How do you make a Skoda disappear? Apply Rust Remover!
Safety Smurf  
#13 Posted : 30 September 2010 13:07:28(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

My last car was an Octavia estate as well, just remember that what's on the current range of Skodas is what's going onto the next range of VWs.
tabs  
#14 Posted : 30 September 2010 13:46:06(UTC)
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tabs

This is clearly a road safety issue. Discomfort is a clear distraction and could lead to an inability to properly control the vehicle. If the car belongs to him, he must change the seat. If it is a company car, the company must change the seat. Legal justification might include: Anyone who suffers injury or loss because of his discomfort or position causing an accident would easily win any action for damages in a civil case. Tort of negligence. With regards to H&S law, HSAW 74 sections 2 and 3 would also apply. Road Traffic Act and/or Construction and Use Regs could also apply, but I have only a vague familiarity with these.
Pete Mears  
#15 Posted : 30 September 2010 14:12:42(UTC)
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Pete Mears

Hi DHM Adding to the other useful comments, my view is that if the car is a company car then PUWER does apply (see Reg 2 para 62) as does the HASAW Act and the requirement to carry out a risk assessment under the MHSAW Regs 1999. It's also worth browsing the IOSH 'Tools and Guidance' section (found in Information and Resources) as there is some useful guidance on the subject if you tap in Driving at Work. Good luck! Peter
Safety Smurf  
#16 Posted : 30 September 2010 14:45:52(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Hi DHM, Is it his own private car? If its a company car. Did he choose that make and model? The best person to decide which car is most comfortable is the person who has to drive it. It shouldn't be forgotten that he may have taken the lead in selecting which vehicle to choose. and just out of interest. if its a company car, how much longer is there left on the lease?
firesafety101  
#17 Posted : 30 September 2010 15:54:00(UTC)
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firesafety101

Not being cynical here but if he has a real medical problem he may have DLA? If not he can apply for DLA. If he then qualifies and receives DLA he can have a vehicle off the Motability charity, he chooses the right model for himself. If he applies for DLA and is refused then there may not be a medical problem at all? Seek guidance from an occupatioal health professional.
Hsquared14  
#18 Posted : 06 October 2010 16:07:47(UTC)
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Hsquared14

Is it the seat that is the problem or the pedal positions? I had a similar problem and had to sit almost sidways to be able to get at the accelerator pedal. I took my car to a company that specialises in adapting vehicles for disabled people, not because I'm disabled but because I thought they would have the expertise to work out what was wrong. They looked at my driving position, measured my legs and feet and then told me to go shopping for a couple of hours. When I got back my car had new brake and accelerator pedals in exactly the right position for me and voila comfortable driving was mine for the princely sum of £65 plus VAT.
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