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MartyB  
#1 Posted : 30 September 2010 11:18:58(UTC)
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MartyB

This is my first post here, so i'll briefly introduce myself. I am Martin, a synthetic organic chemist by trade, but I have also been taking care of the health and safety side of things in the small pharmaceutical company that I work for over recent years. I have some experience carrying risk assessments relating to everyday work and COSSH assessments for handling the chemicals, but we have just discovered one of our female colleagues is pregnant. So now I need to carry out a pregnancy risk assessment and I have no experience in this area. Whilst I would imagine many things are fairly obvious (avoid exposure to chemicals, care with manual handling, avoid stress etc.) I do not want to miss anything important out (for that sake of the lady involved and the company). Does anyone know if there are generic pregnancy risk assessments online that I could use for guidance. Any information regarding this issue would be most welcome. Regards Martin.
David Bannister  
#2 Posted : 30 September 2010 11:22:57(UTC)
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David Bannister

Marty, HSE have good guidance and reference materials on their site here: http://www.hse.gov.uk/mothers/faqs.htm
jwk  
#3 Posted : 30 September 2010 11:30:10(UTC)
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jwk

Hi Marty, What you really need to do is look at your existing risk assessments and decide whether you already have sufficient controls in place to ensure the safety of your pregnant worker and her unborn child. A you say, chemical exposure is a key element in this, as many substances are teratogenic, toxic or can cause miscarriage. You also need to consider the normal discomfort of pregnancy, and ensure that she can atke breaks when she needs to, as being pregnant is (apparently) quite tiring. Stress is another area, and if you have catering on site you need to be sure that they are aware of the particular stipulations for food safety regarding pregnancy. There is a more information in this free download from HSE http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg373.pdf. Having checked your existing assessments you then need to modify them if necessary and ensure that the pregnant workers gets all the information she needs for her safety and comfort, John
MartyB  
#4 Posted : 30 September 2010 11:50:02(UTC)
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MartyB

Thanks, i'll have a look later. Regarding the chemical exposure, she will be out of the laboratory as of the end of today, so that is no longer an issue. We thought it would safer and easier forus to err on the side of caution and remove her from the higher risk area of the building. I was wondering what other areas need risk assessing, but I will look at the links given and devise and assessment.
Kate  
#5 Posted : 30 September 2010 12:41:19(UTC)
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Kate

One other thing - make sure to involve her in the assessment, both to get an accurate assessment and to prevent resentment.
Paul Duell  
#6 Posted : 30 September 2010 12:52:14(UTC)
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Paul Duell

A key consideration which can get missed is "Has her medical professional given her any specific advice?" Also, remember that things change rapidly in pregnancy - you'll need to review the RA every so often. It needn't be onerous, just five minutes over a cup of tea with the lady to check the comments are still relevant.
Ron Hunter  
#7 Posted : 30 September 2010 14:45:09(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

A duty is owed to the unborn child, and the requirement is therefore to assess risk to women in the employ who are of child-bearing age. In your line of work (pharmaceuticals) reacting to someone who knows and informs the employer she is expecting is leaving things far too late and contrary to law. You need to take all your COSHH Assessments and controls back under review and look again at mutagens, toxins or teratogenic effects. In other respects, pregnancy is a natural phenomenon - we do not risk assess "pregnancy".
MartyB  
#8 Posted : 30 September 2010 15:57:18(UTC)
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MartyB

Well I'm not going to look into changing our COSHH assessment routine, I believe this is already more than adequate. I am not assessing pregnancy, it was just a figure of speech. I am assessing what may be required to enable an expectant mother to work safety in the company. So all employee's are already protected against the hazardous and potentially hazardous reagents / and chemicals. But I believe there may additional requirements for an expectant mother to help ensure the safety of her and her unborn child. So whilst I believe that the expectant mother is already in a safe environment, I am required by law to carry out a separate risk assessment to further ensure her welfare. I would also expect it to raise a fair few issues regarding changer her current job role over coming months to manage and minimise risk.
Ron Hunter  
#9 Posted : 30 September 2010 23:25:01(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

MartyB wrote:
I am required by law to carry out a separate risk assessment to further ensure her welfare.
The usual and common misinterpretation of Regulation 16(1) and 16(2) of the Management Regs. The Regulations do not say anything about a separate risk assessment -rather they confirm the employer's duty to examine these risks as part of his general risk assessment duties by virtue of Regulation 3. The definitive approach for the expectant individual is expressed in para 94 of the L21 ACoP. This "separate risk assessment" approach is a view much expounded by the medical and occ. health profession, sadly to the extent that it is now expressed in the HSE's own guidance (HSG122) on the subject. Note the obvious flaw in the HSE's Guidance on "Stage 2" assessment which asks "can the risk be removed" (Y/N). If the employer was to answer "YES" then the obvious question arises in terms of basic risk assessment: why was it ever permitted to be there in the first place?!! HSG122 is generally sound, apart from the odd red herring here and there.
Phillips20760  
#10 Posted : 01 October 2010 09:28:35(UTC)
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Phillips20760

Ron, Although it may not be prescriptive under the Manregs to carry out a separate RA is it not in the HSE guidance because it is good practice? Besides, would you not have an additional duty of care for an expectant mother in common law? I do understand the gist of your comments however that risks should be assessed as part of a normal business RA programme as we do need to protect all women "of child bearing age", however I wouldn't change our approach of an "additional" risk assessment as opposed to a "separate" one. It's definately a worthwhile exercise. Regards, Ian
Ron Hunter  
#11 Posted : 01 October 2010 13:21:39(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

The gist of my argument is that if the employer only considers whether or not to eliminate a risk once he has been informed by one of his employees that she's expecting, then that is far too late. The risk is to the unborn child, the foetus being at its most vulnerable during the first 4-6 weeks of development when many women may not know they are expecting. In a wider context, the employer also needs to be more proactive regarding reproduction and mutagenic risk to both male and female employees. I commend the efforts of the HSE and the Guidance they issue, which is generally excellent. In this particular instance, I believe they've got it wrong, and what they describe suggests an approach contrary to the principles of risk assessment, common law,the UK Regs and the European Directive all of which require a more immediate approach to risk elimination and reduction.
Paul Duell  
#12 Posted : 01 October 2010 14:38:57(UTC)
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Paul Duell

Ron, everything you say is true, and wherever women of child bearing capacity are working, RAs need to account for the fact that one of them may be pregnant. However... MHSWR (and others) require RAs to be reviewed and updated when there's a material change in circumstances. A woman becoming pregnant can/may affect - her manual handling capability - her ability to evacuate premises in a timely manner in a fire emergency - the advisability of her spending long periods on her feet - the advisability of her working long hours - etc etc Added to which, every pregnancy is diferent and every woman will be given slightly different advice by her medical professionals. The only way to capture all this lot is with a specific risk assessment for this one lady, doing the particular job she does and this particular pregnancy.
Ron Hunter  
#13 Posted : 02 October 2010 00:44:34(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Not quite correct Paul. Paragraph 95 of L21 refers. The Risk Group to be considered are women of child-bearing age, NOT whether anyone may be pregnant, and in that respect I can't agree with you on your "material change in circumstances" approach. My Risk Assessment for the task, process or activity should already include that risk Group and have established appropriate collective control measures, and I don't review or amend it on the basis of a change of circumstance of one individual. This is where I consider that the HSE Guidance ducks the issue. Considering whether a risk can be removed only on notification of pregnancy may in some circumstances be far too late, and a particularly significant consideration where that person works in the pharmaceutical industry. Of course I agree with you on the sensible and practical measures regarding work patterns, suspension on full pay, etc. but my preference here is not to confuse risk assessment with assessment of individual capability.
ricci  
#14 Posted : 02 October 2010 20:08:17(UTC)
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ricci

Within our work there are a number of processes which only become a high risk when a female is pregnant. If they are not the risk is small with the proper control measures. Some they cannot perform at all. If they state they are pregnant they are removed from performing that task. There are also other roles within the work which should not be performed or only performed with enhanced control measures by pregnant woman. Men and non pregnant woman do not require the same level of control measures. How can you then has a RA that covers changing circunstances when a worker states she is pregnant.
Ron Hunter  
#15 Posted : 02 October 2010 23:45:44(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

And if they are pregnant, but don't yet know................?
Paul Duell  
#16 Posted : 04 October 2010 10:33:12(UTC)
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Paul Duell

ron hunter wrote:
Not quite correct Paul. Paragraph 95 of L21 refers. The Risk Group to be considered are women of child-bearing age, NOT whether anyone may be pregnant
...errrm, but I'd said "Ron, everything you say is true, and wherever women of child bearing capacity are working, RAs need to account for the fact that one of them may be pregnant." Oh hang on, I see what you mean - the RA has to account for risks to an as-yet unconceived child caused by chemical effects on her reproductive capacity (is that teratogenic? It isn't relevant in my workplace and Mod C was a long time ago!) Although I think we agree on the key thing, that where women who may be or could become pregnant are working, RAs need to consider relevant risks to them.
ron hunter wrote:
and in that respect I can't agree with you on your "material change in circumstances" approach. My Risk Assessment for the task, process or activity should already include that risk Group and have established appropriate collective control measures, and I don't review or amend it on the basis of a change of circumstance of one individual.
Totally agree on the activity risk assessment - in that the existing RA will have dealt with risks that are common to all or most pregnant women (and those in the groups mentioned above) - but I think some formal method is needed to ensure that any specific needs of the individual (such as specific advice given by her medical practitioner) is captured. For example, a woman who is in good health and has had previous trouble-free pregnancies will receive much different advice, from a woman who's in a high risk group because of underlying medical conditions and has had problem pregnancies in the past. It's that formal process of complying with specific individual needs that I'm calling the Pregnant and Nursin Mother Risk Assessment.
Ron Hunter  
#17 Posted : 04 October 2010 23:05:36(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

We do agree on the key issues Paul, and I'm conscious that I'm rather labouring a point here, but I hear all too often about employers only beginning to consider these sort of issues when they are advised by the employee. Good debate.
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