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Muiryden  
#1 Posted : 04 October 2010 08:43:09(UTC)
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Muiryden

Employee was walking up stairs to use "rest room", his foot "slipped" off step and he fell injuring wrist and knocking out some teeth. No contributing factors (boots, contamination or issues with the step). Firstly, would this be regarded as an "at work" accident (what is the perception of "at work", carrying out duties or just being "on site". We had an accident a couple of years ago where an employee cut their hand whilst preparing lunch - we did not count it as "at work") and secondly is it RIDDOR reportable?
m  
#2 Posted : 04 October 2010 12:41:25(UTC)
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m

From the information supplied; not reportable under RIDDOR. Not unless he had more than 3 days off work or spent more than 24 hours in hospital. No limbs were amputated, his spine, shoulder, hip and knees were not dislocated so I think you can save yourself a phone call to RIDDOR. Was the lighting good enough? Was he carrying any work related objects? If not I think that it is just one of those things
Jim Tassell  
#3 Posted : 04 October 2010 16:03:26(UTC)
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Jim Tassell

In essence, your question is this: Do you think this is a "life in general" sort of accident or should we regard it as work-related and hence potentially a RIDDOR case? Given the HSE's focus on slips and trips, I think it would be hard to justify an argument that there wasn't a workplace angle to this. RIDDOR reportability is not conditional on the findings of your investigation. As far as "at work" goes, people you (or your contractors) employ are always at work whilst on your site or going about your business unless you've got a really convincing reason for saying otherwise. Your example of the knife accident just might be capable of exclusion if, say, it was his own knife and he was making his own sandwich with his own bread and fillings because he hadn't had time to do so before he left the house that morning because his kids were playing up (etc. get the picture?). This is a different situation to the child being injured in a nursery case that is in another strand.
RayRapp  
#4 Posted : 04 October 2010 16:06:23(UTC)
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RayRapp

As the accident occurred at work and in connection with work it would be deemed a work related accident.
holmezy  
#5 Posted : 04 October 2010 16:31:45(UTC)
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holmezy

I do not consider this to be a RIDDOR! Yes, the employee was at work, but assuming his job isn’t “eating and drinking” then walking to the rest room isn’t part of his activities connected with his work! Walking (and going up-stairs) in my opinion, is something that we do in everyday life, and yes, occasionally we trip or fall, but (again assuming the stairs are in good condition) it can’t be work related. The HSE campaign around “slips, trips and falls” was, and still is, concerned with trip hazards that can be avoided, not simply tripping up an adequate set of stairs. By all means record it in the accident book, and massage your figures however way you like, but it’s not reportable.
Bob Shillabeer  
#6 Posted : 04 October 2010 17:39:40(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

He was in work even if he was going to the rest room it is still an accident at work. You say you have investigated it and found no conditions that contributed to the accident so there is nothing you are required to do except record it along with your investigation results and conclusions. The case is now closed. If it resulted in more than three days from work or hospitalisation then it would be reportable under RIDDOR, as it was not you have no more work to do. But, remember every accident in the workplace even if it is in or going to a rest room is still at the place of employment therefore is reportable because in slightly different conditions it could have been more serious. Lst's not fall into the trap that just because it was not directly at work as in doing something does not meen it is not work related.
NickRoarty  
#7 Posted : 04 October 2010 20:45:22(UTC)
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NickRoarty

The accident happened in the work premises and is, therefore, a work-related accident. From the information provided, it does not appear to be RIDDOR reportable. It is however important that any outcome / lessons learnt from your investigation into the accident is relayed to the rest of the workforce to try and prevent a similar incident occurring again.
firesafety101  
#8 Posted : 04 October 2010 21:43:47(UTC)
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firesafety101

If he was in the workplace during working hours i.e. 9-5, it is an accident at work. If it falls within the set criteria for reporting then it should be reported according to RIDDOR. Just because he was not working at the time does not take anything away. Investigate it as a workplace accident, you never know there could be a defect there somewhere?
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