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Does anyone else think that something is not right here? A training exercise involving Breathing Apparatus using a purpose built heat and smoke facility. The heat is generated by a cage with burning wood in it. The facility has heat sensors and ventilation fans built in. The SSOW is supposed to be strict (for obvious reasons) the maximum allowable temperature is 38°C at a height of 1.5m if exceeded fans should be operated and BA teams withdrawn. All personnel are fully dressed in PPE covering all areas of skin. The teams are supposed to be monitored by a trained Breathing Apparatus Instructor and safety personnel.
So why did three of them receive minor burns? It must be me, as I’m the only one that is thinking that the SSOW was compromised.
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Burns or scalds?
Sweat under PPE can evaporate and scald.
Or alternatively, steam from firefighting water scalding.
Or (my favoured answer) someone who should have been monitoring the SSOW dozed off???????
Is there a prize for the right answer ?? :)
Hope everyone recovers quickly as even 'minor' burns can be hellishly painful
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One scold, two burns all minor no blisters.
The scold was by stream (wrong branch setting - jet) bad performance by the BA team.
Two burns is my main concern, as what was the temperature inside and if it was the proximity to the fire then what was the BAI or safety person doing? After all this is hot house training, one minor maybe but three in one go?
Sorry no prize even though you got the right answers. My annoyance is that it was blamed on the new PPE. No PPE is perfect that's why the SSOW is supposed to be strict.
Well I hope it isn't the PPE as I'm doing fire development training soon:-(
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Nasty!
I am not sure about the burns (where were the burn injuries??), but scalding is very problematical with newer type kit from sweat. Have you experienced any such issues?
I have had painful experience of these 'boil-in-a bag' type firefighting PPE
The heat reflective qualities of modern materials used for this kit are impressive, but in some ways they insulate the wearer to ambient heat to such a degree that it's often steam from perspiration under the PPE that causes injuries rather than steam from hoses.
Perhaps it's time for these so called integrated PPE solutions (all parts of the PPE are designed to work together to protect the wearer) to include underclothing. This would involve tee shirts, trousers and underwear (including socks). As much of this kit is procured by the cash strapped public sector, I cannot see any expensive improvements in the short term
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Would be better to remove the human element and reliance on SSOW. Consider engineering control of automatic activation of fans and warning system to alert BA Team to evacuate on signal.
Even better consider replacing burning timber and use gas.
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The burns were on the arms, long sleeve tops may have prevented this in my opinion.
Good comments but as well known, financial restraints always apply. If I was an F1 driver I would have the best PPE possible, however, one of many and not unique so get the best that is financially viable. Same applies to facilities; gas would be best but then maintenance costs come into the equation. Crib with wood is the cheaper option, not good but unfortunately manageable.
I have to work with the tools provided and I still think that this could have been prevented with good risk management.
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