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Hi All
Sorry just having a brain fade moment here.
Does the Fire Safety Order legally require an organisation to have trained Fire Wardens?
Many thanks in advance.
DHM
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I believe so, Section 18 of the The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 states:
18.—(1) The responsible person must, subject to paragraphs (6) and (7), appoint one or more competent persons to assist him in undertaking the preventive and protective measures.
worth having a read through.
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Thanks Guru
I have a copy of the guidance, but its not with me at the moment.
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It won't specifically say that you must have trained fire wardens but training would be required to the relevant risks, so the number of employees on site and hazards would all play a part as to weather you need fire wardens. A newsagents is unlikely to need a fire warden but an engineering company employing 100 people would.
Phil
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I was the safety officer for an office based organisation which had four floors in one wing of a building and did the training of fire wardens/marshals myself. I felt that they were required during an emergency evacuation and did all the rest of the fire management myself. If your marshals are only involved in the evacuation process as mine were simply train them in house on your evacuation procedures and refresh thier training as required. Evacuation marshals are not required to have more knowledge than how to ensure the premises are evacuated and the evacuation reported to the individual with overall responsibility for advising the fire brigade about the evacuation.
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Was this part of the repeal process or not (see b).....
MHSWR
Procedures for serious and imminent danger and for danger areas
8.—(1) Every employer shall—
(a)establish and where necessary give effect to appropriate procedures to be followed in the event of serious and imminent danger to persons at work in his undertaking;.
(b)nominate a sufficient number of competent persons to implement those procedures in so far as they relate to the evacuation from premises of persons at work in his undertaking; and.
(c)ensure that none of his employees has access to any area occupied by him to which it is necessary to restrict access on grounds of health and safety unless the employee concerned has received adequate health and safety instruction..
(2) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraph (1)(a), the procedures referred to in that sub-paragraph shall—
(a)so far as is practicable, require any persons at work who are exposed to serious and imminent danger to be informed of the nature of the hazard and of the steps taken or to be taken to protect them from it;.
(b)enable the persons concerned (if necessary by taking appropriate steps in the absence of guidance or instruction and in the light of their knowledge and the technical means at their disposal) to stop work and immediately proceed to a place of safety in the event of their being exposed to serious, imminent and unavoidable danger; and.
(c)save in exceptional cases for reasons duly substantiated (which cases and reasons shall be specified in those procedures), require the persons concerned to be prevented from resuming work in any situation where there is still a serious and imminent danger..
(3) A person shall be regarded as competent for the purposes of paragraph (1)(b) where he has sufficient training and experience or knowledge and other qualities to enable him properly to implement the evacuation procedures referred to in that sub-paragraph.
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It all depends, as always, on the fire risk assessment.
If you decide that assistance is necessary than appoint some employees and give them a title i.e. Fire Warden or Marshall. That gives them some feeling of responsibility, give them a few extra bob as well if the budget allows.
As stated train them yourself, give them a high viz vest and a torch, two way radio if necessary and off you go - compliance with rrfso.
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i would say there would be a need for fire wardens to receive additional training above the normal training an employee might receive. it's no good making them a fire warden and not giving them the training required to carry out that role.
Phil
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PhilBeale wrote:i would say there would be a need for fire wardens to receive additional training above the normal training an employee might receive. it's no good making them a fire warden and not giving them the training required to carry out that role.
Phil
Absolutely essential. After all, the employer is asking them to stay in the building when all around are legging it!!!!
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