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We have an office with around 60 employees, some choose to eat their lunch at their desks but as we have a perfectly adequate canteen I feel that this practice should be discouraged for both hygiene and rest break reasons. Does anyone feel I am being over the top and should let it continue or has anyone dealt with a similar situation?
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I'd say you are going over the top, but that is because I sit and eat at my desk and as the H&S person I should know better and ensure that I take my break away from the desk to ensure that I have a rest.
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It depends on the individual company, most office workers eat at there desk these days, due to work or if they are smokers, then they have smoke breaks and eat lunch while working, its not against any rules eating at your work station, unless written in the company policy, I suppopse someone will tell me if I am wrong
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Well, the ACOP to the workplace regs says 'In offices and other reasonably clean workplaces, work seats or other seats in the work area will be sufficient, provided workers are not subject to excessive disturbance during breaks, for example, by contact with the public', but it is good for people to get up from their desks. I would try a bit of persuasion, and I really wouldn't go down the heavy banning route,
John
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I think the main aspect is that where people don't have a suitable place to rest and eat - let's say working on a lathe all day, then they certainly need a canteen or similar. But in a modern office I can't see the problem with eating at the desk. Yes - I think perhaps there are bigger H+S fish to fry than this one. Chris
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Could you not tempt employees into the rest areas may be a TV or improving the rest areas with comfy seating also add a bit of eduction into the mix as the benefit of getting away from the work area.
Phil
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I think your being a bit OTT here - leave well alone and concentrate on more significant issues.
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Although it might not be th most significant issue affecting H&S i think there needs to be some consideration to be given to it especially if you have someone one who arrives at there desk at 8 in the morning and won't leave it until 5 at night other than for a toilet break. time to walk away from phone ringing or constant pressure form other workers is important from a stress point of view and to get a change of scene or talk to colleagues about something other than work.
So it might not bee seen as a major H&S issue stress in the workplace is something that need to be watched out for and being able to walk away form the desk for a 10-25 minute break shouldn't be underrated. especially if your work is desk based you can't escape where other will have a natural break by either driving or walking to another site or their job may entail working in different environments (shopfloor, office, driving to site etc) so these can create a natural break a change of scene or different interactions with different people.
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I dont think you are being OTT.
My comments on the matter are:
1. Operatives work 8 hours (plus) at their office desk, if they spend lunch there its actually 9 hours.
2. Is there not ergonomic/DSE issues?
3. Bacteria, it has been proven that the desk is more dirty than your toilet. How many of the operatives will leave their desk to wash their hands before they start eating?
4. Food safety issues, where is the food being stored? If in a bag by the desk, its not being kept at the right temp.
5. Work related stress, if the operatives are not stepping away from their desks for lunch break, they are not have a breakk from teh work enviroment, this can lead to stress I believe.
6. Crumbs, is there a cleaner? All this eating at desks will produce crumbs, is this being cleaned up? It may encourage vermin.
Perhaps I'm making an issue out of nothing.
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People lunch at their desks for different reasons, some because they like to check their personal e mail, others because of the work pressures etc. I do what I can to discourage this as I really do think that it is important for people to get away from their desks, have a change of posture, a change of environment and a break away from the work face.
I have seen the argument that the desk or more dirty that the toilet, but don't really buy it. Hands up who would rather eat their sandwiches off a loo seat?
I think that it is something to be discouraged, there are probably bigger fish to fry for most of us, but do bear in mind that it may be indicative of an underlying problem.
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It is also possible that the ones eating at their desk don't like the people who use the canteen or are very happy with their own company.
Yes, there are hygiene issues but these are likely to be very minor if there is an adequate cleaning regime. Much more likely is mayonnaise on the keyboard. Eating a takeaway curry at the desk is definitely antisocial but not a H&S issue unless it prompts workplace violence.
Possibly stress issues to be thought about but there are likely to be other indicators too.
Web surfing, emails, playing games, updating a CV are all good reasons to stay at the desk during lunch, as well as a desire to do more work!
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stuff4blokes wrote: updating a CV Surely not ........ !!
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Ask them all to lift their keyboards, turn them upside down and give them a slight tap. See what comes out.
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You are the employer and after due consultation you could take a decision either way, but it is better to use the facilitating/supportive route than being autocratic.
What proportion eat at their desks and have you got feedback on why they prefer to eat at their desks than using the canteen?
There are no straightforward or prescriptive solutions/answers.
In our workplace, we actively encourage the use of the canteen and subsidise it to some extent. We do not mandate eating in the canteen.
In fact we supply "take away" from the canteen.
Personally, I think prohibiting completely eating at the desks can be OTT, unless you have good reason. I do not subscribe to the cleanliness of the keyboard as an excuse, the message required should be wash you hands before eating, irrespective whether at the desk or in the canteen etc.
Ultimately, it depends upon the "culture" of your organisation.
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ChrisBurns wrote:Ask them all to lift their keyboards, turn them upside down and give them a slight tap. See what comes out. Nothing at all Chris - the mayonnaise sees to that!
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Just by the by, I visited my friend's workplace the other day and he has clear plastic covers over all his keyboards. I've recommended these for our workplaces. OTT? Well, he's a dentist, and the keyboards are in clinical areas, and I've recommended them for keyboards in clinical areas in our hospices and nursing homes. There's a lot worse than mayonnaise can go down between your keys....
John
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May I deal with this misleading concept of there being more bacteria on your desk than on the toilet seat and that the desk is therefore a more dangerous place?
Yes, there may be more bacteria on your desk, but (a) the desk is a; much larger area than the toilet seat, so this is not surprising and (b) the bacteria on your desk will be mainly those shed from your skin and thus mainly harmless. I am not so certain about the e-coli on the toilet seat!
Just to add to the discussion, there are more bacteria in your mouth than people in this country, so, on the basis of the desk/toilet seat should we all stop eating? If you did not have millions of bacteria in your gut, skin, etc. you would not be alive to read this!
This, of course, does not resolve the argument about eating at your desk, just that from a hygiene issue it is not that significant an issue.
Chris
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Hi, In my opinion very much OTT, why upset those staff who prefer to remain at their desks for lunch when there is no H&S reason to do so in a typical low risk office environment. Regards Steve
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Afternoon,
I think we would all agree that the best practice would be to eat away from your desk in the canteen. This gives a break as all appear to agree and removes from the workplace but it is not a requirement so I would say generally speaking leave well alone and tackle a more significant safety issue. However, I would put in a word of caution, if those who are eating at their desks are engineers who come in contact with oils, greases, other hazardous substances and if this contact is reflected where they eat/drink then removing them from their hazardous surroundings to consume food/drink would save you problems in the long run. Being an engineer and having worked in shipyards & ports I know this is a culture problem which is not easy to resolve. Having said this, I am one of those who mostly eat at my office desk (only contaminated by office stuff) as a choice doing ME stuff, but then I get round and about for 50% of the my time on site and am not tied to my desk.
Take Care
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Surely those who are in contact with oils and greases should ensure that these are removed before consuming food, whether in the canteen or at their desk?
In my experience many of those who eat at their desk do not place the food directly on to the desk, but usually eat from a container or place the food on something else, rather than directly on the desk.
Chris
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