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CARRICKMAN  
#1 Posted : 20 October 2010 12:26:41(UTC)
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CARRICKMAN

Hi , Can anyone tell me please how long an annually serviced CO2 extinguisher can last before it has to be replaced? Thanks
Terry556  
#2 Posted : 20 October 2010 12:44:19(UTC)
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Terry556

They should be serviced every 12 months, I think a discharge test should be done every 10 years,check with your supplier
Safety Lemon  
#3 Posted : 20 October 2010 13:32:30(UTC)
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Safety Lemon

Carrickman I don't think there is a standard time period for when they should be replaced. The main criteria is that they continue to pass their required tests (e.g. discharge, pressure). If they fail these then obviously it is time to replace them. You also want to look at the location where they are located (i.e. places where they are likely to be bashed around a bit, or corrosive environments) as you might want to consider replace them more often than more sterile environments e.g. offices. What you should look at is how much it will cost you to keep having them pressure tested (as this becomes more often over a certain age...which I cannot remember at the moment) and whether it is just cheaper to get new ones. Hope that helps. SL
CARRICKMAN  
#4 Posted : 20 October 2010 13:39:08(UTC)
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CARRICKMAN

thanks for your advice. My query started because I've just found out that last year our maintenance provider claimed that they were past their life and charged us a exhorbitant price to replace. The ones he took away were like new and have been maintained religiously since they were bought about 7 years ago.
colinreeves  
#5 Posted : 20 October 2010 13:45:48(UTC)
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colinreeves

This seems like a sales ploy. I work in the marine industry where the atmosphere is laden with salt water and fire extinguishers rarely fail their 10 year pressure tests. However, your environment may be even more corrosive?
Murphy18748  
#6 Posted : 20 October 2010 13:54:06(UTC)
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Murphy18748

I have to admit that one of our regional offices once mentioned to me that they had all their fire extinguishers replaced - by a large, nationwide supply company - as they were now out of date. It was news to me and I meant to go away and look it up - but forgot. It is a small office, nothing special or unusual. I think we moved into it less than five years ago! Ever feel you have been conned?
PGra  
#7 Posted : 20 October 2010 14:01:19(UTC)
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PGra

I have just had a fire extinguisher servicing company contact me claiming that dis-charge testing of extinguishers is a recommendation in the BS standard and it is just a money generating exercise. They reason that once an extinguisher is discharged to prove it is working then refilled you are back to square one. then on the other hand they are claiming that the BS standard for fire alarms states that the recommended period of inspection based on 'risk assessment' should be not exceed 6 months and if recommendation not implimented your fire alarm should be considered no longer compliant. i not sure if all they say is true or fiction but fire servicing companies don't have a good reputation so either way i decided to check the alarm standard by asking our insurance company if they were happy with alarms being inspected annually for the type of premises we have and the asnswer was yes
PhilBeale  
#8 Posted : 20 October 2010 14:37:46(UTC)
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PhilBeale

Powder, foam and water are required to be inspected yearly, every five years they need to be emptied and stripped down and if no issues are found they can be re-filled and follow the same regime yearly inspection, 5 yearly discharge and inspection. Co2 need yearly inspection and then every ten years discharge and pressure tested if they pass they cab be re-filled and follow same regime yearly inspection and ten year discharge and pressure check. Most companies now a days will either replace the extinguisher for a new one at the 5/10 yearly inspection or replace with a unit that has already been fully inspected and refilled. The cost of refilling and pressure testing a co2 can work out more than replacing with a new one or at least what the extinguisher company pays for them as to what they add on to you the customer is a different matter A new co2 and water etc can be bought between £20-£40 from online companies, But legislation changed recently so you now need to have them installed by a qualified extinguisher engineer so they can check the extinguisher is suitable for the fire hazard in that location and they are correctly installed. Just to note co2 extinguishers have there manufacturing date stamped on the bottle (at the top) so long as you are within 10 years of this date then they should only need the yearly inspection. if someone is trying to sell you a new one saying the old one is out of date then check the manufacturing date first. If you think you have been ripped of complain to the company or the governing body which i think is BAFE? I'm sure fire extinguisher experts will be along to either agree with what i have said or not. Phil
PhilBeale  
#9 Posted : 20 October 2010 14:39:08(UTC)
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PhilBeale

6 monthly testing of fire alarms is now the new BS standard and not yearly or at least this is what i expect when carrying out fire risk assessments. Phil
David Bannister  
#10 Posted : 20 October 2010 18:56:20(UTC)
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David Bannister

Phil, could you please clarify "legislation changed recently so you now need to have them installed by a qualified extinguisher engineer" as I was not previously aware of this change.
firesafety101  
#11 Posted : 21 October 2010 09:10:47(UTC)
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firesafety101

Unless things have changed recently it used to be annual service (weight test and visual), 10 year pressure test then pressure test every 5 years.
PhilBeale  
#12 Posted : 21 October 2010 09:24:32(UTC)
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PhilBeale

stuff4blokes wrote:
Phil, could you please clarify "legislation changed recently so you now need to have them installed by a qualified extinguisher engineer" as I was not previously aware of this change.
The key bit to the new changes are stated here. "Portable fire extinguishers should not be any different and most fire companies installing portables have been doing this for a number of years now. The standard reflects this and sets out the steps to be taken when installing a new extinguisher. This should give the customer more assurance that what is installed will do what it is supposed to, when it is needed. What the standard says, in short, is this step should be carried out by a competent person and immediately prior to placing the extinguisher in its designated place. The committee recognised that under the Fire Safety Order the responsible person (previously referred to as the user) has far more wide-ranging responsibilities. The standard provides additional guidance for the responsible person: this now includes a check for missing parts, a requirement that results are recorded, and, if they have any doubts, the responsible person is guided to consult a competent person. Furthermore, again to ensure compliance with the Fire Safety Order, the responsible person is required to advise the competent person of changes likely to affect extinguisher cover." Now if you are replacing an extinguisher like for like you may question if you need someone to service install it but i would say someone needs to check that it is fit for purpose, just because you bought a new extinguisher who says it's OK to use. anyone else got views on this. You can find more information on changes here or refer to the BS standard. http://www.info4fire.com...extinguisher-maintenance Phil
Hally  
#13 Posted : 21 October 2010 10:14:53(UTC)
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Hally

And if economical as a company you can be trained to service them yourselves etc (something we're thinking of doing for a start coupled with Fire Risk Assessment) if you have the time to do it and have a number of sites with quite a few extinguishers.
colinreeves  
#14 Posted : 21 October 2010 14:03:51(UTC)
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colinreeves

PhilBeale wrote:
stuff4blokes wrote:
Phil, could you please clarify "legislation changed recently so you now need to have them installed by a qualified extinguisher engineer" as I was not previously aware of this change.
The key bit to the new changes are stated here. [cut] You can find more information on changes here or refer to the BS standard.
I may need a little education, but I was not aware that a BS standard was "legislation"?
PhilBeale  
#15 Posted : 22 October 2010 11:07:33(UTC)
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PhilBeale

colinreeves wrote:
PhilBeale wrote:
stuff4blokes wrote:
Phil, could you please clarify "legislation changed recently so you now need to have them installed by a qualified extinguisher engineer" as I was not previously aware of this change.
The key bit to the new changes are stated here. [cut] You can find more information on changes here or refer to the BS standard.
I may need a little education, but I was not aware that a BS standard was "legislation"?
please don't start the BS isn't legislation bit. If you want colin don't do anything with your fire extinguishers and leave them gathering dust if that is what you want to do, feel free. However i have pointed a member in the direction of the BS standard which if followed will ensure they meet legislation for the maintenance of fire extinguishers. I think most people would accept BS is a means of helping to comply with legislation and would be accepted by the courts if you followed the BS as being and accepted standard. I apologise for using the word legislation rather than BS but i pretty much think you knew that BS would apply to servicing and installing fire extinguishers. All the best Phil
David Bannister  
#16 Posted : 22 October 2010 14:35:35(UTC)
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David Bannister

So the legislation has not changed then.
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