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ExDeeps  
#1 Posted : 21 October 2010 08:16:41(UTC)
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ExDeeps

Morning, I'm just looking for a reality check if I may? To explain, I noticed an ad in the local rag last night selling gritting services - no problem with that, we all need to make a living, however, there's a very legal looking side bar quoting the "HSE Act 1992" and the "HSE preventing slips and trips at work act 2005" with warnings about minimizing risks. Now, I was pretty sure I had not heard of these and when I googled them two things became apparent; 1) The acts quoted are from New Zealand 2) the same quote is being circulated by two or three gritting co's on UK web pages. The wording of the ads is to my mind deliberately disingenuous as the quotes are not wrong but at the same time do not apply in the UK My question; 1) Have I missed these acts in the UK i.e. Are there acts in the UK with these titles? 2) Has anyone else seen similar ads? Cheers, Jim
mikecarr  
#2 Posted : 21 October 2010 08:52:31(UTC)
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mikecarr

No... There is no such thing. There is only 1 H&S Act sounds like a classic case of the uninformed making up their own H&S "rules". A bit like to official looking parking fines placed by private parking companies It might even be worth notifying the HSE about it if they are deliberatly trying use H&S to scare people into buying their products
Ferris38332  
#3 Posted : 21 October 2010 08:55:25(UTC)
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Ferris38332

ExDeeps I haven't seen any of the ads you mention but a quick Internet search of 'HSE preventing slips and trips at work act 2005' brought a result on the first page for a gritting company. As Mike C says perhaps HSE or IOSH should be writing to them to highlight their mistake.
Nick House  
#4 Posted : 21 October 2010 09:44:16(UTC)
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Might it not be a case for Trading Standards (or whatever they are called this week) also?
Heather Collins  
#5 Posted : 21 October 2010 10:36:51(UTC)
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Heather Collins

Report them to Trading Standards - this is nothing but scare-mongering.
MaxPayne  
#6 Posted : 21 October 2010 10:45:48(UTC)
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MaxPayne

Probably worth reporting to the ASA also. http://www.asa.org.uk/
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#7 Posted : 21 October 2010 11:04:43(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

Sounds like it is a dodgy advert, playing on mis-information or mis-representation (or perhaps just simply an error). The appropriate course of action might be Trading Standards, but isn't it both predictable and depressing that some here seek to condemn so quickly? Even a suggestion that IOSH should be unleashed to deal with those having the temerity to place such an advert! There seems to be a perpetual discussions here among those who will clear snow here, but definitely not there, and might grit but only selectively etc etc. Not forgetting others who will happily sit back and watch people slip and fall while sitting back to enjoy the warm glow of inactivity safe in the knowledge that they are not liable for grazed knees and broken bones. The discussions generally go on, and on, and on, while discussing like barrack room lawyers the perceived legal situation, this seems like throwing stones from deep inside the glass house!
Ferris38332  
#8 Posted : 21 October 2010 11:44:48(UTC)
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Ferris38332

Ian, You assume my post was requesting IOSH to write to them to condemn their actions, what I actually mentioned was for them to highlight their mistake not vilify them. Perhaps if IOSH got more involved in general education through their communication when errors are found we wouldn’t have such a bad image. And as a result be deemed more approachable to offer common sense solutions as an industry.
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#9 Posted : 21 October 2010 11:52:52(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

Rise above it and move on. IOSH has no authority in this, or in other matters, and will no doubt falter if it seeks to assume thsuch a role - at least until its members and other supporters can get all of their conkers in a row
barnaby  
#10 Posted : 21 October 2010 12:07:48(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn wrote:
There seems to be a perpetual discussions here among those who will clear snow here, but definitely not there, and might grit but only selectively etc etc. Not forgetting others who will happily sit back and watch people slip and fall while sitting back to enjoy the warm glow of inactivity safe in the knowledge that they are not liable for grazed knees and broken bones. The discussions generally go on, and on, and on, while discussing like barrack room lawyers the perceived legal situation, this seems like throwing stones from deep inside the glass house!
For goodness sake, someone has just drawn attention to a company which is using misleading information about h&s legislation in order to drum up business. No need for such a pompous response.
Heather Collins  
#11 Posted : 21 October 2010 12:53:38(UTC)
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Heather Collins

Ian this is nothing to do with the perpetual gritting argument. It is a series of companies using false and misleading information about H&S to frighten people into buying their services. I would have thought ANY safety professional would want to see such companies stopped from these tactics.
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#12 Posted : 21 October 2010 14:47:36(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

I dont disagree, but I do find it both predictable and depressing that some rush to Google in order to "probe" it wrong, while others want HSE or IOSH to intervene (only one has any real status, though not in this area which owes more to advertising that H&S; the other can butt out!). Others call fro Trading Standards, concerned athat someone might mis-use H&S in this way, and then the Advertising Standards Authority. The latter are correct, but what depresses me mostly is the bullish response to anyone who upsets the 'H&S establishment'. Set against the perpetual diagreement about gritting , snow clearing etc here, it is the response, not the advert, that I have difficulty with.
Canopener  
#13 Posted : 21 October 2010 17:29:50(UTC)
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Canopener

Reality check complete. I think most of us have seen similar tactics used before; they are quite deliberately intended to 'catch' the less well informed out with the intention of selling their product or services. This sort of behaviour is by no means confined to H&S. I have recently challenged a well known supplier of a lone working system for a misleading article on Corporate Manslaughter in their marketing literature. It 'annoys' me, but not sure if I am going to get too excited about and I am not sure if worthy of intervention by IOSH/HSE; I would think that they have both bigger fish to fry.
pl53  
#14 Posted : 22 October 2010 08:16:05(UTC)
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pl53

Good grief, talk about a hysterical response. So some local outfit, probably a one man band, has used some misleading info to sell his services. So what. Is he putting anybody at risk - No, he's just rrying to make a living by providing a service that, judging by last year, is going to be very much in demand in a coupke of weeks. To suggest the HSE should intervene is extreme tosay the least. To mention IOSH in this context is ridiculous. I'm with Ian on this - Just move on.
ExDeeps  
#15 Posted : 22 October 2010 08:19:37(UTC)
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ExDeeps

To all who replied thank you, I was simply wanting to check I was not missing something before dropping the company a line to point out, in a friendly way, the error in the ad - as for "rushing to Google" it's quick, it's easy but it's not always completely accurate in the results hence the reason for my OP, and TBH it had nothing to do with whether we should grit or not.....;-) Cheers Jim
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