Is there a reason why you think it hasn't been installed correctly just because money is tight doesn't mean the work hasn't been completed correctly. Are you saying one of the trainee electricians carried out the work then surely ask them to show how it complies to 17th edition. Also a bit lost hoe you can have trainee electricians working for the company without any qualified electrician as they would need to be supervised at all times and all work they carry out, i would be more worried about that. I think the issue needs resolving with who ever is responsible for maintenance work and at this point you don't need to involve the board of directors can't help help but feel they won't thank you especially as you seems unclear if there is or isn't an issue. best of luck Phil

Hopefully a qualified electrician will come along to answer your question. But if i where you i would talk to your qualified electrician and ask their qualified opinion on what work they should be doing. i completed a mechanical to electrical course with city and guilds which was a three week course which allowed me to re-set trips and install 3 phase motors as well as carrying out live diagnostic checks so very comprehensive for a 3 week course. may be you need to look along these lines long term , but i would talk to your own electricians first if you think they aren't telling the truth then get advise from a college that run courses or the governing body for electricians to clarify. I'm a bit lost with what you say about wiring a kettle into the fuse to operate the door then changing it back to the door surely there must be other pluga around if they just need to power a kettle. i would have also thought your company procedures make it clear who is authorised to carry out what level of electrical work even it is just wiring into the spur already provided by another company some level of training would be required no matter how simple it may appear as you would need to check if the supply is isolated or live. Phil

Hall, There is another way around this problem, why not request that whoever installs the supply connects to a suitable 240v IP rated switched socket instead of the fused spur, you could then supply your door with the correct plug and a cable already installed, you would just then be able to roll up (pardon the pun) and plug them in. Nick

That might be something I can work with cheers

A kettle *lead*, not a kettle! AKA a length of flex with an IEC C13 connector fitted, to provide power from the fused connection unit to the door installation. I would have thought the easiest solution would be to request that the FCU (or spur, as you put it) is supplied with the C13 cable, length specified by you, already wired in. Then your fitters wouldn't have to mess around with the wiring, and could just plug in when they are ready. P.S. the 17th Edition Wiring Regs are BS 7671, not BS 7672 (Specification for compression, stiffness and labelling of anti-embolism hosiery, no less!).

I think the problem you have is someone carrying out an illegal and dangerous connection here my friend. The fused spur is most likely part of a ring main, fused at 13amp at the spur and connected to a 30amp MCCB at the main Distribution Board. I would assume that the kettle is connected to the live side of the spur (for convenience in making a cup of tea while working at the door area) and not the fused side (which would probably overload the fuse if anything else is connected ie: the door) If this is actually during the door manufacture in your workshop, nothing else is connected to the spur and the kettle is connected to the fused siade of the spur, then I see no problem From an old (very) time served electrician

Hi Hall40714, I think you will need to employ some qualified electricians. How do your door installers wire up the controls for the door?. All the wiring must be tested and inspected with a test certificate produced. I am surprised clients don't ask for a minor works certificate. For training try the NICEIC web site and contact them for competent advice. from a qualified spark

hall, most of the other posts above seem relevant. Firstly the "operatives" must be competent. This means knowing and understanding safe isolation according to industry standards and being willing, able and actually undertaking this before working. This could be no mean feat on a "spur" connected in some premises as it could mean isolation of a large circuit. Which, first of all they would have to positively identify and confirm before isolation, then liaise with the customer to perform isolation then undertake the safe isolation procedure and secure the circuit. This could not be a 2 minute job. However, IMHO working within an "FCU" would necessitate full isolation of said device according to EAWR as even if switched off with the fuse out there are still live conductors within the enclosure. Does this help, or do you need more? Paul