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Jake  
#1 Posted : 02 November 2010 08:18:51(UTC)
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Jake

To keep this brief I won't go into the background etc etc, however can anyone shed any light on an accredited training course for using snow plough attachments on Lift Trucks? All our Lift Truck operators hold RTITB licences and a separate RTITB course is delivered for the clamp attachment. I’m of the understanding that for any "attachment" a specific training course (and licence) needs to be undertaken / awarded. However the snow plough attachment we are considering fits over the forks, therefore logic would dictate that a separate license is not required. Is this correct? The snow plough would be fitted to counterbalances only (not reach trucks) and all counterbalances are suitable for external use (with pneumatic tyres etc) however we are concerned that the counterbalance may slip / slide in the ice / snow and there is a risk of snow hiding any potholes resulting in a toppling risk. Is there any specific training course for using a forklift truck in snowy / icy conditions or should persons that hold a counterbalance licence be perfectly fine? The last thing we want is for snow ploughs to be bought, put in use, then a counterbalance operator loses control / topples while clearing snow, and it transpires that they are not deemed competent because there is no specific training for this! Finally, is there any other control measures that you would put in place? (winter tyres for the counterbalance? etc).
jay  
#2 Posted : 02 November 2010 11:16:18(UTC)
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jay

You are almost implying that you need training in actual snow conditions! Whereas that is ideal, it is not realistic. Would it not be a better control measure if the route used by the FLT with attachment route is first gritted/cleared such that the slip risk is reduced. I doubt it can be eliminated completely. Secondly, it is my understanding that the centre of gravity for the snow-plough attachment is such that the FLT is unlikely to topple, but there will be some skidding/slipping. Have you not got any information from the snow plough attachment supplier??
David Jones  
#3 Posted : 02 November 2010 12:27:21(UTC)
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David Jones

And having completed your risk assessment if you have identified that potholes may represent a significant risk you need to ensure an appropriate control measure is in place (FILL IN THE POTHOLES)
Jake  
#4 Posted : 02 November 2010 16:24:26(UTC)
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Jake

Jay wrote:
You are almost implying that you need training in actual snow conditions! Whereas that is ideal, it is not realistic. Would it not be a better control measure if the route used by the FLT with attachment route is first gritted/cleared such that the slip risk is reduced. I doubt it can be eliminated completely. Secondly, it is my understanding that the centre of gravity for the snow-plough attachment is such that the FLT is unlikely to topple, but there will be some skidding/slipping. Have you not got any information from the snow plough attachment supplier??
I've spent hours researching gudiance and dissapointingly speaking to suppliers, no one can provide any firm information regarding what is deemed "suitable" training (whether a specific RTITB license is required, or if there is a course). Supplies just go back to the get out clause "complete a risk assessment", which is fine, but there has to be some science behind why we have the control measures in place, and it is forseeable that operating a counterbalance in snow would increase the risk of slipping / sliding which could lead to collision with property etc and result in injury to the operator, therefore surely we cannot go ahead untill training is provided / guidance sought? (and the training / guidance has some science behind it). The ideal situation would be for the RTITB (or other accredited body) to support the use of snow plough attachements (and offer a course in the safe use of the attachement and the counterbalance in such circumstances.) The idea of the snow plough would be to clear the snow from HGv traffic routes and pedestrian walkways, therefore if it were to be used for the purpose intended it would defeat the object of require the path of the lift truck to be gritted first.
david jones wrote:
And having completed your risk assessment if you have identified that potholes may represent a significant risk you need to ensure an appropriate control measure is in place (FILL IN THE POTHOLES)
Of course external areas are checked daily and if pot holes are identified they are filled. It was just an example of, during heavy snow for a prolonged period, in a large open space with hundreds of meters of traffic routes, a single pot hole could be missed. Additionally if, like last year our warehouses in northern England and Scotland recieve heavy snow for days / weeks it would get to a point where you cannot distingusihes between traffic route and pavement, which would also be a toppling hazard. The answer would be to not use the counterbalance in such extreme weather conditions, but this would defeat the point of having them in the first palce (to ensure our warehosue can continue to operate 24/7). It would be interesting to get other large organisations point of view regarding snow plough attachements, as I know they are in use and quite common throughout the UK!
jay  
#5 Posted : 02 November 2010 17:12:52(UTC)
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jay

Jake, We have purchased a snow-plough and another scoop/shovel attachment for our FLT with the intention of clearing off the snow after experiencing the extreme weather early this year. It took us ages to clear off the snow manually and a pedestrian operated powered snow plough! We have had FLT's operations on some snow/ice with appropriate controls, therefore it is not a new experience for out operators . If you want belt & braces, you could train them for those conditions, but as far as I am concerned, it is not reasonably practicable. We have had our FLT operators try out hitching the attachments in normal conditions, but that would not constitute as training for use on snow/ice
Dazzling Puddock  
#6 Posted : 03 November 2010 10:34:54(UTC)
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Dazzling Puddock

Jake I have used these so called FLT ploughs before and have found them less than useful. CBTs simply do not have the traction, in many situations and you end up sitting and spinning in anything deeper than a six inch build up! Buy a handy wee kubota with a plough on the front and a gritter on the back and you will be set for winter, as well as it coming in handy at many times of the year for grounds maintenance etc
JohnW  
#7 Posted : 03 November 2010 11:37:40(UTC)
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JohnW

Jake wrote:
To keep this brief I won't go into the background etc etc, however can anyone shed any light on an accredited training course for using snow plough attachments on Lift Trucks? All our Lift Truck operators hold RTITB licences and a separate RTITB course is delivered for the clamp attachment. I’m of the understanding that for any "attachment" a specific training course (and licence) needs to be undertaken / awarded.
The snow plough needs to be clamped, and I suggest also chained to the FLT, but it does not do any lifting, just pushing, so it does not affect the centre of gravity of a load, like lifting accessories would (e.g. sliders, extensions). I would like to think if you have an accredited FLT trainer in your organisation he can learn in-house to use the snow plough and train others. I deal with LOLER issues all the time so somebody please shoot me down in flames if apporpriate :o) JohnW
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