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IanF  
#1 Posted : 16 November 2010 09:20:04(UTC)
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IanF

This is actually on a personal level, but with very limited knowledge of legionella, I'd be grateful for practical advice from someone in the know. I have a shower unit at home which has been broken for at least 2 years (I know, I'm lazy), and we're looking to get it replaced very shortly. We will be advising the prospective plumber of the risk, but my concern is that it's had stagnant water sitting in it for a considerable period of time, and I have a heavily pregnant wife who will be at home at the time. What practicable steps should I be taking to ensure this remains as safe as possible? Any help gratefully received.
blodwyn  
#2 Posted : 16 November 2010 10:29:59(UTC)
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blodwyn

Ian, it is a real risk if water has been sitting there for that amount of time in a house temperature. My advice is not to let your wife anywhere near the shower room. If you can remove the shower head and run the hot water for as long as you can at the hottest temperature from the hose - bit of an issue if it is on a mixer - so if you can turn off the cold water feed. It is the advice given if you visit a hotel at the start of a season abroad!!! The risk is mainly from aerosol - so avoid the situation where the shower is hitting a surface causing a spray. I would do this before the plumber comes as he may be dismissive of your issue - surprisingly many are very ignorant of legionella. I dont think there are any chemicals you can use that you get domestically - but the microbiologists will advise
Bob Shillabeer  
#3 Posted : 16 November 2010 12:12:34(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

If you are gatting in a professional plumber he will understand the risks you think may be there. Tell him of your concerns and he will deal with it. He is a person who deals with this issue almost daily and should fully understand the risks if any exist at all. Quite rightly some have told you that legonella is spray bourne and the plumber will know how to deal with it. Provided you tell the plumber you will not be held liable as he is the professional and should follow the simple measures to prevent the risk.
Ron Hunter  
#4 Posted : 16 November 2010 12:31:38(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

The "slug" of water in the dead-leg up to the shower needs to be run-off, but it matters not what temperature you do it at. Presumably the soleniod valve is inoperable on your (electric) shower, preventing you running the system cold at regular intervals? Something we all need to be aware of when going on holiday too - that shower. toilet or tap in the apartment may not have been operated all winter long.
m  
#5 Posted : 16 November 2010 12:47:46(UTC)
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m

blodwyn wrote:
If you can remove the shower head and run the hot water for as long as you can at the hottest temperature from the hose - bit of an issue if it is on a mixer - so if you can turn off the cold water feed. It is the advice given if you visit a hotel at the start of a season abroad!!! The risk is mainly from aerosol - so avoid the situation where the shower is hitting a surface causing a spray.
The only suggestion I would add to the above is to run the shower hose into a bucket with a small amount of water already in; this will reduce the likelihood of spray considerably
ajb  
#6 Posted : 16 November 2010 13:43:37(UTC)
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ajb

And if you don't have a bucket handy on holiday try tieing a carrier bag around the shower attachment and then turn on shower slowly so it fills gently and when full carefully drain down the plug creating as little splash as possible. Then order for the shower (least susceptible to most susceptible) is children, followed women and then men last (unless you have any smokers - who should go last of all). From a talk I heard given by a Dr Lee of the HPA some years ago.
Invictus  
#7 Posted : 17 November 2010 07:12:22(UTC)
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Invictus

ajb wrote:
And if you don't have a bucket handy on holiday try tieing a carrier bag around the shower attachment and then turn on shower slowly so it fills gently and when full carefully drain down the plug creating as little splash as possible. Then order for the shower (least susceptible to most susceptible) is children, followed women and then men last (unless you have any smokers - who should go last of all). From a talk I heard given by a Dr Lee of the HPA some years ago.
girls are less susceptible than men, so if you have a young daughter send her in first to turn the shower on slowly or wrap the shower head in a bin liner etc before turning on and turn on slowly, then you can just lie the bag in the bath and let it drain or drain slowly.
Adrian Watson  
#8 Posted : 17 November 2010 08:18:39(UTC)
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Adrian Watson

The risk of legionellosis to your wife is virtually nil unless she is immune-compromised and she is inhaling spray containing legionella. Regards.
Canopener  
#9 Posted : 17 November 2010 11:34:03(UTC)
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Canopener

Crikey, I don't always agree with Adrian, but in this case I think he is correct. I suggest that the risk is minimal. I don't see any reason why your wife should be excluded from the bathroom or shower room in the circumstances that you have outlined. When the time comes to repair or replace the shower, I suggest that you or the plumber simply run off the water taking care to minimise the creation of a spray or aerosol and take it from there.
sean  
#10 Posted : 17 November 2010 12:14:05(UTC)
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This is quite an interesting thread, and to be truthful quite an eye opener, I would never have thought that the first person using a shower in a hotel or holiday park at the beginning of the season would be in such danger? I honestly would have thought that the owners of these establishments would ask their cleaning staff to clean each bathroom before their first clients of the year arrived. However I do believe that the information put on by several previous posters must be correct. Shocking, I will always from now on be really careful with showers in other properties!
PIKEMAN  
#11 Posted : 17 November 2010 12:40:40(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

"girls are less susceptible than men, so if you have a young daughter send her in first" I can only assume that this was a joke - as a man and father, and CMIOSH, I would NEVER EVER do this. I would always put my own safety LAST!
IanF  
#12 Posted : 17 November 2010 14:52:11(UTC)
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IanF

Thanks for the information everyone - I'll make sure the plumber knows and will ensure that splash is minimised (for anyone that's interested, if you switch the shower on, nothing comes out of the head, it just runs straight out the bottom of the unit!) This is our first child, so no young daughter I could send in - it's nice to know it's an option for ther future though!!! Thanks once again.
GeoffB4  
#13 Posted : 17 November 2010 23:36:44(UTC)
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GeoffB4

So really it's a request for help based on water draining straight to a drain and nothing to do with legionella because there won't be an aerosol - yes?
Invictus  
#14 Posted : 18 November 2010 07:12:47(UTC)
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Invictus

Pikeman wrote:
"girls are less susceptible than men, so if you have a young daughter send her in first" I can only assume that this was a joke - as a man and father, and CMIOSH, I would NEVER EVER do this. I would always put my own safety LAST!
No joke, true, but didn't say I would use it, but then again not being CMIOSH (don't know what CMIOSH has to do with it) obviosly a very clever person. Nooooo I'm not starting the CMIOSH arguement again.
IanF  
#15 Posted : 18 November 2010 07:46:23(UTC)
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IanF

GeoffB4 wrote:
So really it's a request for help based on water draining straight to a drain and nothing to do with legionella because there won't be an aerosol - yes?
Geoff - slightly more complicated than that - the shower is over a bath, but at the other end of the plughole, so where the water runs out the bottom of the unit, it would create considerable splash - onto the end of the bath, etc. Anyway, I've taken up enough of people's time on this - thank you once again for the helpful input, it's certainly been an eye opener!
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