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decimomal  
#1 Posted : 23 November 2010 15:17:47(UTC)
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decimomal

New member of staff claims she gets a red rash on her body and heavy breathing. She suspects other persons perfumes and 'washing powder' and other things that 'smell quite a lot' are the cause of this (allergic reaction?). She is going to hospital in mid December for allergy tests. What should we be doing in the meantime to demonstrate that we are taking this seriously and without alienating others? I am hesitant to ask other people to stop wearing perfume or change their washing powder! Ta
Kate  
#2 Posted : 23 November 2010 15:54:17(UTC)
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Kate

Are any air fresheners or the like in use?
Guru  
#3 Posted : 23 November 2010 15:55:30(UTC)
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Guru

What type of work are they involved in?
Steve Sedgwick  
#4 Posted : 23 November 2010 16:00:32(UTC)
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Steve Sedgwick

Kate there is only one thing to do, I would refer her to an Occ Health Physician asap so that some records of her problems, past health history, and an appropriate assessment and advice can be provided. Steve
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#5 Posted : 23 November 2010 16:01:16(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

quote=decimomal]She suspects other persons perfumes and 'washing powder' and other things that 'smell quite a lot' are the cause of this (allergic reaction?).
If that supposition is correct, surely this would happen outside the work environment with equal frequency and severity, thus the problem is hers and not yours. Unless, of course, it is somehow connected with your business. What is this business? A laundry perhaps, or a perfume counter? Hotel housekeeper? Or an industrial operation with lots of chemicals, detergents, pollutant emissions etc? Exposure may be indirect - she might be in the office but exposed to allergens from the factory floor - that could be more than enough to aggravate an underlying condition. Or perhaps something in your business activity is aggravating an existing condition. If it is that secretary who insists of bathing in cheap scent, there is nothing you can do. But do consider allergens or aggravating factors closer to your business activity. Do you use any chemicals or sanitizers in your business? What are your office cleaners using? Ian
decimomal  
#6 Posted : 23 November 2010 16:07:01(UTC)
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decimomal

Thanks for the responses so far folks. The workplace is a standard office environment. I have asked about any changes in circumstances, whether anybody else has similar symptoms and even whether she has changed her own perfume and washing powder. Our initial inclination is that it is more likely to be home rather than work related, but want to cross the T's and dot the I's. Decimo
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#7 Posted : 23 November 2010 18:31:58(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

Don't be too quick to dismiss this just because nobody else is suffering. There may be just a single affected individual an she may have developed a problem long ago and outside the workplace but that doesn't disprove the possibility that you are somehow making it worse, however unlikely that may be.
RayRapp  
#8 Posted : 23 November 2010 19:09:34(UTC)
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RayRapp

Until she has patch tests to establish what is the source of her allergy I don't think there is much you can do as an employer. She will have to be quite specific for the patch tests as from previous experience I am aware that a person can be allergic to anything under the Sun, with varying degrees and symptoms.
Bob Shillabeer  
#9 Posted : 23 November 2010 19:18:36(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Ray is quite correct you will need to have the results of tests before you can be sure of the cause and the cure for this problem. But, let me ask you, has she had any history of this reaction before starting to work for you? If so it is probably an ongoing condition not directly related to your operation, although your operation may well be contributing to the current bout of reaction. You said it is an office environment, have you considered if there is any exposure to such things a toner from photocopiers etc, does she use specific materials in the office which could be causing the reaction? This is a wide field, so ensure she shares the results of any tests she undertakes with you so you can either discount the work environment/activity or identify what is happening and take action (if possible).
Nick A  
#10 Posted : 23 November 2010 21:12:05(UTC)
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Nick A

Must agree with whats written on the posts above - especially #4 & #9, my concern would be what makes her believe it is certain 'strong smelling' items, unless some kind of reaction or sensatisation has occurred previously how would they know? occupational health route is a must, if possible disclosure of medical records to occupational health physician should also be arranged to coincide with first appointment. i had an issue where an employee had worked wearing fireproof clothing for over 30 years he then developed a sensitisation to one of chemicals used in fireproofing his overalls!! Best of Luck Nick
L McCartney  
#11 Posted : 24 November 2010 12:45:56(UTC)
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L McCartney

I agree with wating for the test results. However, please be aware that folk with hayfever can be quite badly affected by over strong perfumes (though no theard of soapp owder smells more touch contact). We've stopped spraying of perfumes in the office (there are toilets whcih the person can walk out of if its strong at that time. Also in past I've asked some poeple who do wear very strong perfume not to at work - quite a difficult thing to approach but it went well. Outside of work your not in that environement for as long as you are in work. I avoid several branches of a High Street Chemist as their perfume counters are right at the door - though i notice recently this is changing.
Bob Howden  
#12 Posted : 24 November 2010 13:22:00(UTC)
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Bob Howden

My daughter's school has had a total ban on strawberries (and some other products containing strawberry flavouring) for the past few years due to a member of staff who has a severe allergic condition. This includes strawberry yoghurts so we end up using only half of those little 6 packs.
MrsBlue  
#13 Posted : 25 November 2010 10:17:09(UTC)
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Bob Howden What's "reasonably practical" about the school's solution banning everything to do with strawberries for one member of staff. So all the children (hundreds of them) and all other staff miss out on strawberries for one member of staff, and what a waste of money throwing away half of the yoghursts. What happens when a pupil comes to school with a lunch box and it contains strawberries or yoghurt. How is this monitored? Impossible I would say. Have all parents received a letter saying "No Strawberries? There must be another solution. Rich
MB1  
#14 Posted : 25 November 2010 12:32:21(UTC)
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MB1

I agree Rich, Surely common sense approach for a suitable solution that the majority will not miss out?
Mr.Flibble  
#15 Posted : 25 November 2010 13:45:05(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

Don't forget the other factors, worst case i know, but still fairly common: Could be the office itself; dust mites, ozone from the photocopier etc, stress. Si
chris.packham  
#16 Posted : 26 November 2010 08:38:35(UTC)
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chris.packham

Identifying what causes this type of reaction is actually more complex than many realise. Without having mroe details it is impossible to comment in any depth. However, just to illustrate the potential for getting the 'diagnosis' wrong, I had a case of a care home worker who had suffered anaphylaxis. A blood test showed that she was sensitised to a number of substances, including latex proteins. It was assumed that she had reacted to the rubber dust from the carpet backing as the reaction occurred when she knelt on the carpet during first aid training. As the rubber backing was a synthetic rubber without any of the proteins needed to trigger a latex allergy, this could quickly be excluded. In fact, whilst she is sensitised to latex she is not allergic. If she handles a piece of rubber thinking it is plastic she has no problem. If she handles a piece of plastic thinking it is rubber she will start to have breathing problems! It is purely a psychosomatic reaction. Incidentally, the condition is called undifferentiated idiopathic somatoform anaphylaxis!!! (Try saying that after a couple of beers in the evening.) Many of the type of reaction you described turn out to be a combination of factors, so proper diagnosis is needed to establish just what you are dealing with before jumping to any conclusions. Chris
teh_boy  
#17 Posted : 26 November 2010 08:41:13(UTC)
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teh_boy

Chris.Packham wrote:
It is purely a psychosomatic reaction. Incidentally, the condition is called undifferentiated idiopathic somatoform anaphylaxis!!! . Chris
So I can be allergic to work!!!!!
chris.packham  
#18 Posted : 26 November 2010 09:17:52(UTC)
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chris.packham

teh_boy Yes, so am I - sometimes! There are certain tasks that make me feel ill. However, most of the time my enthusiasm carrier me through. Chris
firesafety101  
#19 Posted : 26 November 2010 09:55:04(UTC)
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firesafety101

I wonder if the new Equality Act will have some effect in so far as not discriminating against the employee with allergies?
chris.packham  
#20 Posted : 26 November 2010 11:41:38(UTC)
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chris.packham

Chris I don't think the new Act will change things much. Under the previous legislation you had to make reasonable adjustments for any disability, and an allergy is certainly that. However, this presupposes that it is a genuine allergy, i.e. one that has been clinically proven through validated testing. I encounter people who believe that they have an allergy, either 'diagnosed' by one of the so-called allergy clinics or just an assumption on their part. When properly tested by a qualified medical specialist it frequently turns out that there is no such allergy. Then there is the question as to whether the substance to which they are allergic is actually in the workplace at a biologically available level where an allergic reaction can be elicited. Again assumptions are often made that, upon proper investigation, turn out to have no substance. Chris
Invictus  
#21 Posted : 26 November 2010 13:40:24(UTC)
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Invictus

Steve Sedgwick wrote:
Kate there is only one thing to do, I would refer her to an Occ Health Physician asap so that some records of her problems, past health history, and an appropriate assessment and advice can be provided. Steve
I know your joking getting them to occupationa health. Next you'll be sending staff with a headache to hospital by ambulance.
Steve Sedgwick  
#22 Posted : 26 November 2010 16:23:25(UTC)
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Steve Sedgwick

Absolutely not joking. How else are you going to get the medical evidence. Without it you will run around in circles dreaming up all sorts of scenarios for the employer / client to consider. Steve
DaveDaniel  
#23 Posted : 26 November 2010 17:59:44(UTC)
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DaveDaniel

I would send this person back to her own GP and stand back. The more you play to her allegation the more you are drawn in, after all, this is nothing to do with work. She would have the same reaction to people in the street if it were true. Testing is probably not an option. We had a case of asthma at one of our clients recently. The NHS consultant who claimed it was occupational did so as a result of inference - essentially the guy got better with 2 weeks off work, so it had to be work that caused it. When I asked what tests had been done she said they couldn't do any allergy tests without knowing what to test for, and was hoping we would find some sensitisers to give her a clue, and we couldn't. You'll be in the same boat.
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