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chas  
#1 Posted : 26 November 2010 10:20:08(UTC)
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chas

Does anyone in the world of education know of any studies, guidance or limitations regarding acceptable weights of school (book) bags carried by children/students at school. Are schools obliged to ensure that excessive weights are not being carried to, from and around school premises? I would be very interested to read people's views.
alexmccreadie13  
#2 Posted : 26 November 2010 11:15:54(UTC)
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alexmccreadie13

Please tell me it is Friday?
Alan Haynes  
#3 Posted : 26 November 2010 11:26:09(UTC)
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Alan Haynes

KieranD  
#4 Posted : 26 November 2010 11:26:16(UTC)
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Good question. The answer lies in applying relevant research to implement the Manual Handling Operations Regulations. You can find useful guidance and discussion about this issue on the Ergonomics4Schools area of the website of the Institute of Ergonomics and Human Factors, formerly The Ergonomics Society, www.iehf.org.uk or www.ergonomics.org.uk
sean  
#5 Posted : 26 November 2010 11:42:54(UTC)
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Surely it will depend on quite a few factors, 1, The size of their pencil case 2, How many cartoons they are carrying 3, Their choose of weapon 4, How much alcohol they drink Apologies, Friday.......................
colinreeves  
#6 Posted : 26 November 2010 13:57:25(UTC)
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colinreeves

Of course, all regulations must apply as they are at work ............ well, so they say! It is Friday!
Ken Slack  
#7 Posted : 26 November 2010 15:23:50(UTC)
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Ken Slack

Going to be looking in the Sun next week to see if there are any headlines saying "Elf n Safety Ban Schoolbags"......
alan_uk  
#8 Posted : 26 November 2010 15:43:43(UTC)
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alan_uk

I think it fair to say that the Manual Handling regs would not apply to students as they are not "at work", however a teacher with a bag full of homework to mark etc. is a different matter.
Steve Sedgwick  
#9 Posted : 26 November 2010 15:53:47(UTC)
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Steve Sedgwick

Chas I would be interested to know your reasons for the question. What are you objectives Steve
Canopener  
#10 Posted : 27 November 2010 19:00:06(UTC)
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Canopener

I aren't going to get involved in the Friday debate (especially as it is now Saturday) but I do often suppress a little chuckle when I see some kids struggling down the road on the way to school with back packs that appear to be much the same size as they are. Like Steve I would be interested to hear the reason for the question though; I am intrigued.
barnaby  
#11 Posted : 27 November 2010 19:35:22(UTC)
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This often gets raised in schools, normally by parents, and sometimes by schools. The HSE has even got an faq on it: http://www.hse.gov.uk/se...s/education/faqs.htm#a10 I think most h&s people in the education sector try and steer clear, though I suspect some kids do suffer long term problems.
pete48  
#12 Posted : 27 November 2010 21:22:31(UTC)
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pete48

Chas, there is wealth of study from around the world about the matter of school bags and the effect on young people's health. Do a search and you will get pages and pages as long as you ignore all the links to journalistic fuzz. The link to the HSE website confirms that there is no specific H&S small print. However, seeking to prevent injury is surely a fundamental principle? So maybe no clear duty to protect as such but a duty to educate most certainly. To answer your question, it seems that the most commonly chosen measure for comparative measure is the weight of the bag as % of body weight. The results mostly suggest that a figure of 10% is a lower threshold beyond which there is a measurable effect on back pain/change in posture with some studies putting the threshold at 20%. The younger the child the closer or even as low as 5% is another general conclusion. Clearly the other significant factors include the design of the bag and how the bags are used. There are many schools and education authorities across the world that have published guidance in this area. These generally approach the matter from the health education standpoint and cover key factors that can be used to minimise the risks. So no duty to protect as such but a duty to educate? It may be because there are so many variables that it is seen as OTT or somehow conkers bonkers? But is it a real risk? A fair few research studies have concluded that it is. p48
boblewis  
#13 Posted : 27 November 2010 21:26:31(UTC)
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In my day the two factors were the size of bag and whether you can still walk!!! Bob
barnaby  
#14 Posted : 27 November 2010 22:15:30(UTC)
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boblewis wrote:
In my day the two factors were the size of bag and whether you can still walk!!! Bob
Are you sure Bob? In my day we had desks where we kept most of our books and only had to carry home what we required for homework. Later I understand many schools introduced lockers. Now I understand most schools have no provision for storing books etc. so pupils must carry all the books required for the day back and forth.
boblewis  
#15 Posted : 28 November 2010 20:23:20(UTC)
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boblewis

Went to an old fashioned grammar school where each teacher believed that they should take up the full homework allowance personally Bob
Invictus  
#16 Posted : 29 November 2010 08:15:30(UTC)
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Invictus

Never had to worry about bags on my back, wore Birmingham Bags, the pockets were the right size for A4 hard backed books. Paperback books rolled up in my blazer pocket. 4 of the strap for doing it but it didn't hurt anyway.
chas  
#17 Posted : 29 November 2010 10:18:49(UTC)
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chas

Thanks for the information, some of which has been of use. The reason for asking was because some people I work with were concerned about the weights being carried and the effects on the backs of the young. I don't think there was ever the intention of banning books etc, it was simply to see if there was anything that could be done to protect the welfare of kids at school and to see if anyone had addressed the issue before. In my day we had lockers and only took out the books we needed. Today things appear to be very different. Maybe in the future books will be a thing of the past and everything will be electronic and fit in the pocket of your trousers (or Birmingham Bags!).
MB1  
#18 Posted : 29 November 2010 10:21:33(UTC)
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MB1

How about writing a letter to the students parents advising them of the risks involved with carrying heavy items on a long term basis. I would have thought it would be better educating them than playing nanny at school and all the over the top legal wrangling involved?
RayRapp  
#19 Posted : 29 November 2010 10:43:44(UTC)
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RayRapp

Resisted so far from making a comment but, surprised no has mentioned that the weight of the bag must surely depend on the age/size of the children, as well as whether they boy or girl for the same reasons. That said, it does appear to be on the brink of nannying. I Can just imagine what my father would have said if I had complained that my satchel was too heavy...a bit like the day when I said a boy at school had hit me. His retort, go back tomorrow and punch him on the nose, he will leave you alone after that. Incidentally, whatever happened to football, rugby, athletics, netball etc in order to toughen up kids for the hard world in front of them?
Invictus  
#20 Posted : 29 November 2010 11:53:03(UTC)
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Invictus

They can't play football, rugby etc. This would add weight to the bag and they wouldn't be able to carry it.
David Bannister  
#21 Posted : 29 November 2010 12:47:08(UTC)
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David Bannister

As a small under-weight 11yo I remember (vaguely!) carrying a heavy homework load plus usual schoolboy debris plus games kit (boots, socks, top & shorts, wet towel plus accumulated mud) after a full afternoon's games session to the bus and then walking 20 mins home, all in very non-ergonomic bags comprising large brief case bought by proud parents and a thin-rope duffel bag, often in the Manchester wind and rain. I'm still here to tell the tale without long-term neck, shoulder, arm, back, hip or leg damage but it was very heavy at the time and I hated it.
stevegrimes  
#22 Posted : 29 November 2010 14:47:14(UTC)
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I read it Monday I wish it were friday
multuminparvo  
#23 Posted : 29 November 2010 15:50:10(UTC)
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multuminparvo

Pupils are visitors to as place of work MHOR is not applicable to them. Child care issues etc outside of Occupational H&S may however apply. Suggest you think of what EHO's etc consider reasonable for Newspaper rounds and alike. I know a lot of LA's have guidance on this, hence a lot more trollies being issued. See http://www.gloucester.go...%20Delivery%20Guide1.pdf as an example.
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