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Sadd23037		#1 Posted : 30 November 2010 13:53:59(UTC)
Rank: New forum user		I have a client who erects large store signs. My question is - if the sign is erected on an exisiting building ( for which the only alteration is the removal and placement of a sign) does this fall under the CDM Regs? My view is that it does -0 can anyone confirm one way or other please. paul
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Ajc100		#2 Posted : 30 November 2010 14:23:50(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		Paul, In my opinion CDM would apply. From the Regs: (a) the construction, alteration, conversion, fitting out, commissioning, renovation, repair, upkeep, redecoration or other maintenance (including cleaning which involves the use of water or an abrasive at high pressure or the use of corrosive or toxic substances), de-commissioning, demolition or dismantling of a structure;
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Ron Hunter		#3 Posted : 30 November 2010 14:44:21(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Yes, this is construction work, therefore CDM Regs apply.
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stephenjs		#4 Posted : 30 November 2010 15:05:11(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		Don't forget the 30 person days, 500 man hour evaluation. Works below this without a demolition content do not incur CDM notification.
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SP900308		#5 Posted : 30 November 2010 15:08:37(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		stephenjs, With all due respect, have a look at the 2007 Regs! Simon
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SP900308		#6 Posted : 30 November 2010 15:10:44(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		..... more than 30 working days or 500 person days! Simon
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Bob Shillabeer		#7 Posted : 30 November 2010 15:15:26(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		It sounds as if you have a sign supplier waiting to do the work (is this correct) if so ask them about it and get them to do the nitification if one is needed. You will of course still want an assurance that the legal side of things are done as part of the contract to erect them in the first place. Let those who know do the work, you are after all paying for the service.
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firesafety101		#8 Posted : 30 November 2010 16:02:47(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Folks - lets just answer the question. The answer is yes - it is construction work and all construction work falls under CDM. This is not a question re notification.
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Ron Hunter		#9 Posted : 30 November 2010 16:19:15(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Slightly worrying that some are still of a mind that CDM = notified project. Even more worrying that some are still referencing '94 Regs.
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JohnW		#10 Posted : 01 December 2010 11:51:12(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		stephenjs wrote: Don't forget the 30 person days, 500 man hour evaluation. Works below this without a demolition content do not incur CDM notification. Right, in those cases notification to HSE not required, but CDM 2007 regulations still apply to all construction work!
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Canopener		#11 Posted : 01 December 2010 12:08:24(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Yes, I agree that there still seems to be some confusion over CDM, and people confuse the matter still further with the notification issues. Remember that the 'new' CDM regs incorporated the previous construction 'welfare regs'. If the work does meet the definition of construction in CDM, then the regs apply, if the work meets the requirements of notification then notification applies. It really couldn't be simpler; could it?
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jde		#12 Posted : 03 December 2010 11:00:44(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		Have to agree with Phil here. The CDM regs apply as it is construction work, however, by the sounds of the activity it will not be notifiable.
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