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'Paid for' eye sight checks for non-users under DSE but still at risk under Mgmt regs?
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Dear all
Hoping that somebody knows the answer to this...I'm not sure and am going in circular motions! I look after H&S for a school and we have lots of DSE users (fit all the criteria in the DSE regs) but we also have lots of teachers who do not use their DSE equipment for significant periods of time per day BUT during report time use them almost constantly (for a few days). I suspect that this means they are not strictly DSE 'users' but this would come under the Mgmt regs as they could certainly be put at risk with activity of this sort without any sort of assessment. In reality therefore does this mean that if the DSE regs have sought fit to include eye tests for users, then we should also through our risk assessment process? I think probably not, simply due to less constant use but wanted to check with my esteemed colleagues! TIA
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I suggest it doesn't come under the Management Regs as there is no evidence that DSE use causes eye problems. Remember that the DSE User entitlement arose out of a slightly woolly thinking, and is to be provided only 'on request'.
As it is 'on request' only, then it cannot be considered a "control measure"!
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mootoppers
I agree with you.
As the teaching body are not DSE users with respect to the regs then they are not entitles to the eyesight test as you say.
If you were to go further and RA it under the MHSW regs then the fact that the likelihood has been reduced through lack of use, this would also lead to no eyesight test required through a SFAIRP argument.
Looking at it another way. The purpose of providing eye tests for users is to identify vision defects so that the DSE users do not suffer from temporary eyestrain and fatigue.
If they are not deemed users, and so not at risk from this temporary eyestrain and fatigue, why RA it further?
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Thanks Ron - clarity restored. (no pun intended!)
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On the other hand would it not be a nice gesture to look at supplying such equipment - just a thought as good gestures go a long way to having a happy workforce
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Bob - thanks for your reply. I think we'll be going down the route of 'generous' in our assessment of who are users but as ever I'm justifying the costs to my bosses (there's more than one - lucky me!) and hence if I have a state of 'this is the firm ground', hopefully I can then negotiate the 'nice to haves'.
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Welcome mootoppers to the forums.
Hope the above posts answer your questions and may you have a long and illustrious posting career here.
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I've always found the table on page 9 of the DSE guidance booklet in the 6-pack useful. It concentrates on 7 basic questions and the more 'yes' answers there are the more you should err on the side of caution. FYI the questions are;
Continuous spells of an hour or more?
Daily use of DSE?
Fast information transfer?
High attention and concentration?
High dependency on the DSE?
Little choice whether to use the DSE or not?
Special training or skills?
I'd have thought that there must be periods when any teacher would be using DSE pretty intensely, certainly for more than an hour at a time and certainly with a high degree of attention or concentration (particularly IT teachers). The guidance states that part-time workers (e.g. 2 days a week) should definitely be considered as DSE users. I'd have though teachers wouldn't differ too much from this interpretation. My children are constantly undertaking course- and home work assignments online. I'd hate to think no-one was checking their work :-)
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