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Zanshin67  
#1 Posted : 08 December 2010 11:11:00(UTC)
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Zanshin67

Hi all

does anybody have a template/form that I could use for risk assessing disabled visitors to the workplace

many thanks

Dave
Ron Hunter  
#2 Posted : 08 December 2010 12:14:23(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

And how do you propose to identify which of your visitors to apply this process to?
Sticky-wicket stuff this!
Bob Shillabeer  
#3 Posted : 08 December 2010 12:16:47(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Am I looking at this the wrong way? Are you saying you need to undertake a risk assessment for each disabled person who visits your premises or are you looking for a risk assessment process to prepare for any disabled persons who may visit your premises? There is a very big difference, you should in my view undertake a risk assessment on the premises and look at how those premises can effect your disabled visitors and identfy what you need to have in place to prevent those risks. Forgive me if I am reading this the wrong way but why risk assess every visitor as I'm afraid this could be very patronising.
Ron Hunter  
#4 Posted : 08 December 2010 12:57:20(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Fire Regs. don't help Bob - they require a "general" PEEP to be in place in public buildings applicable to all disabled visitors. Dave maybe is trying to solve this.
Bob Shillabeer  
#5 Posted : 08 December 2010 13:04:33(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Yes I understand that, but to do a risk assessment for every disabled visitor or employee is going well over the top. There needs to be individual PEEPs for each visitor or employee designed to meet thier specific requirements and problems, but not a risk assessment. The risk assessment done for the work[place should take into account all types of risk and disabilities that affect that level of risk. Disabled people take the over use of the term disbaled very much to heart, they want to be treated as normal but do understand that some variation needs to be catered for that is the purpose of PEEPs.
firesafety101  
#6 Posted : 08 December 2010 14:50:57(UTC)
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firesafety101

You don't need a PEEP for every visitor just categorise them into groups i.e wheelchair, ambulant, hearing impaired, etc. etc.

You then show the visitor the range of PEEPs so they understand you have a plan that, while it may not be 100% perfect at least they will have a good idea what is expected of them in an emergency as long as you select the right one.

All visitors visit somebody so place a responsibility on that employee to look after their visitor/s and hand them the PEEP.

Further whatever you need to evacuate disabled people make sure it is in position, you may not have disabled employees so your general risk assessment may not include disabled, but you may receive visitors.
Bob Shillabeer  
#7 Posted : 08 December 2010 15:09:32(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Chris, I think you make be partialy right but there is a risk in your approach, the PEEP is the personal bit. Each PEEP should be compiled for the individual concerned as many are able to manage the evacuatuion process themselves in different wats. To simply have general evacuation plans may not fit so won't meet the legal requirement. Have general templates but they must be adapted to fit the person concerned. The question of this posting topic was not directly to do with the need for PEEPs, but asked for a template for risk assessing disabled people, nasty things disabled people and should be avaoided at all costs. What the original poster meant I'm sure is is there a specific risk assessment process for assessing the risks that can affect disbled people and my view is the 'ordinary risk assessment' should be done and include the risks the process can have on disabled people, not a specific one for anyone with a disability. Your don't need to do one for a deaf person and then one for a blind person and another for a mobility impaired person etc.
firesafety101  
#8 Posted : 08 December 2010 15:28:09(UTC)
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firesafety101

Bob you haven't seen the supplementary guide to fire safety risk assessment - "means of escape for disabled people" have you?

Have a look at the section re Standard plans for occasional visitors. That's where my information comes from.

Try a spell chexher next time eh?

By the way I don't like your remark about "nasty things these disabled people" - you could be taken to task on that?

MrsBlue  
#9 Posted : 08 December 2010 15:30:43(UTC)
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What does PEEP mean?

Rich
Bob Shillabeer  
#10 Posted : 08 December 2010 15:33:20(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

My remark about nasty things these disabled people was meant as a flipant remark and was not to be taken seriously, I live with a disabled person and know fully well how many feel about being patronised by well intentioned people, most see the funnier side of many things people say. they at least have a sence of humour on this type of topic. The point I was trying to make was the original poster was not looking for advise on PEEPs but more generally on the general risks disabled people could face not just in the event of fire.
Bob Shillabeer  
#11 Posted : 08 December 2010 15:34:21(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Rich a PEEP is a Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan.
Jane Blunt  
#12 Posted : 08 December 2010 15:34:51(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

rich777 wrote:
What does PEEP mean?

Rich


Personal emergency egress plan

Bob Shillabeer  
#13 Posted : 08 December 2010 15:35:34(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Rich a PEEP is a Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan.
MrsBlue  
#14 Posted : 08 December 2010 15:42:39(UTC)
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Thanks Jane and Bob for quick reply. You learn something new everyday. It's what keeps the job interesting.

Rich
firesafety101  
#15 Posted : 08 December 2010 15:45:32(UTC)
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firesafety101

Jane Blunt wrote:
rich777 wrote:
What does PEEP mean?

Rich


Personal emergency egress plan



Jane - Bob is correct.
Bob Shillabeer  
#16 Posted : 08 December 2010 15:58:56(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Hi Chris, Yes I have all the fire risk asseement documents including the disabled people one endorced by the Disability Rights Commission. I have read it and find it very useful, but it does not state that generic plans are better than specific ones. I therefore contend that PEEPs should be agreed before the visit wherever possible.
kevbell  
#17 Posted : 08 December 2010 16:14:10(UTC)
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kevbell

In the HM Government book fire safrty risk assessment residential care premises peeps personal emergency evacuation plans and yes this job is never dull
Ron Hunter  
#18 Posted : 08 December 2010 23:22:45(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Dave must be standing well back from his post and enjoying this "lively" debate. I wonder if we're anywhere near what he was looking for.

Chris, your spot on with placing a responsibility at work with those receiving the visitors, but that doesn't work in public buildings. I'm quite intrigued as to how you show a visually impaired person your selection of PEEPS or explain them to those with hearing difficulties.
As I said above, I find this issue quite intractable.
firesafety101  
#19 Posted : 09 December 2010 11:11:18(UTC)
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firesafety101

Ron you are probable right about Dave enjoying the debate but it is not helped by the negative comments like yours.

Why doesn't it work in public buildings? Surely anyone receiving a visitor should be taking on some responsibility for them? If it doesn't work then something positive needs to be actioned to make it work - or come up with another solution.

(If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem).

Your further negative comments about "showing" and "explaining" just show that you do not wish to be very helpful.
Ron Hunter  
#20 Posted : 09 December 2010 12:45:52(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Ah Chris, you've taken offence where none was intended. At best, I was attempting a light-hearted approach to what I'm already on record (above) as considering an intractable issue. I'm not knocking your efforts.

Public Buildings include cinemas, shopping malls, restuarants and the like, where the individual is just that - disabled or no and on their own. I stand by my statement that the best of efforts in attempting to address these issues by way of a "general PEEP" as referenced in the relevant fire guides aren't really going to ensure practicable solutions in these circumstances, particularly where the building wasn't designed to take into account emergency egress of those with disability.

The real issue is more about retrospective compliance with Equality Legislation, a big nettle that no-one wants to grasp.
Zanshin67  
#21 Posted : 09 December 2010 14:25:02(UTC)
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Zanshin67

Its Dave

peaking out from the parapet!

Wow! What have I done

cheers all for a really interesting debate...But was just looking for a proforma to at least start me off an aide de memoir.

The assessment I had in mind was geared towards a visitors workplace experience, behind the scenes type of thing.

Thanks all

Dave

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