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AKM  
#1 Posted : 12 January 2011 09:41:52(UTC)
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AKM

How loud is too loud? I've read somewhere that alarms should be 5dB above ambient, but is there a top end that should be considered?
Ken Slack  
#2 Posted : 12 January 2011 14:47:41(UTC)
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Ken Slack

akm wrote:
How loud is too loud? I've read somewhere that alarms should be 5dB above ambient, but is there a top end that should be considered?
Where did you read it?
Ken Slack  
#3 Posted : 12 January 2011 14:59:11(UTC)
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Ken Slack

BS5839 Part 1, 2002 A minimum of 65 dB is required in general areas or 5 dB above any background noise which persists for more than 30 seconds. Where sleeping people are to be woken then 75 dB is required at the bedhead Hope that helps, is all in the BS I've been told ;)
smitch  
#4 Posted : 12 January 2011 15:13:04(UTC)
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smitch

akm As stated by Ken Slack the answer regarding sounder levels can be found in BS 5839-1:2002+A2:2008, which provides recommendations for the planning, design, installation, commissioning and maintenance of fire detection and fire alarm systems in and around buildings, other than dwellings. Further to the above and in case it helps: If you wish to alert people in really noisy areas, such as areas containing power presses for example; then I would suggest you make use of sounder beacons as they provide visual as well as audible alert. Or do you have concerns about high noise output of an existing set up? If so then as people should be evacuating upon sounding of the alarm (unless its during routine testing), then their exposure should be minimal (time wise). For weekly testing of the alarm then I always try to do it when staff levels are reduced and/or ensure that the alarm sounds for the shortest possible length of time. HTH Steve
AKM  
#5 Posted : 12 January 2011 15:44:35(UTC)
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AKM

Thank you both...particularly for the reference. My main issue is that I've had number of concerns raised about the sounders being too loud. I think the main problem is that in some places, the alarm is significantly greater than the ambient noise, thus causing peple to jump out of their skins (despite a tannoy announcement beforehand). Guess I'll need to get the alarm engineers in and review sounder locations etc.
firesafety101  
#6 Posted : 12 January 2011 16:04:34(UTC)
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firesafety101

The fire alarm needs to be heard in all parts of the premises. Ensure that and you won't go far wrong.
Jon B  
#7 Posted : 12 January 2011 16:21:34(UTC)
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AKM - If there was an issue where they could not be heard then fair enough make any necessary changes. But people need to accept a minor inconvenience now and again. I personally would not make or advise changes just because people may not like how loud they are. From experience it can be around £75 per item to make changes to a detection / warning system so this could soon add up. Of course if budget is not an issue then go ahead - keeps the troops happy! For the few seconds it takes for a bell test there should be no risk of hearing damage and in the event of drill / evacuation the expsoure should only be a couple of minutes maximum. You may want to conisider the response team who may have to remain slightly longer but even the sounders would have to be well above 100dB to do damage in such a short period of time. There may be other risk factors ie vulnerable people (keeling over with heart attack) or those conducting hazardous operations (up ladders or 'playing' with nitroglycerine) which could concievably cause problems but if your warning via Tannoy then there should be no real issue.
Mr.Flibble  
#8 Posted : 13 January 2011 11:58:03(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

I have the same problem where for some reason someone installed two different types of sounds in close proximity to each other in the offices and corridors. These are well above 100dBA and its complete over kill. I am having one set removed as the other set is more than suitable to raise the alarm.
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