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Hayhoe41533  
#1 Posted : 15 January 2011 23:16:55(UTC)
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Hayhoe41533

Whilst recently discussing work on roofs a fellow member stated a 'permit to work' must be issued for all roof work under the Work at Height Regulations 2005.

Whilst I can see a permit to work may be employed on extremely high risk work where working close to an edge with no edge protection, I believe for low/medium risk roof work say in the centre of a roof away from an edge, for instance a central lift motor room with a protected walkway around it, a full assessment setting out all possible risks and control measures to eliminate or reduce such identified risks together with a detailed job specific safe working method statement would be sufficient and would not warrant completion of a three part permit, particularly on a regular inspection programme.

Alan
Ron Hunter  
#2 Posted : 15 January 2011 23:55:51(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Your fellow member is incorrect, as are you to suggest "a permit to work may be employed on extremely high risk work where working close to an edge with no edge protection". WAH duty is to prevent of mitigate the effect of any fall.
RayRapp  
#3 Posted : 16 January 2011 07:56:29(UTC)
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RayRapp

A permit to work is NOT required under WAH. Some organisations use a permit system for working at height, but that is their choice. If proper controls are in place (ie method statement) then normally I see no good reason for a PtW.
Canopener  
#4 Posted : 16 January 2011 10:39:16(UTC)
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Canopener

As already observed by Ron and Ray (does that make them sound like a couple of East End gangsters!) there is NO requirement for a PTW within WAHR and I really don't envisage that there should be any need to do so in the vast majority of cases. The usual precautions such as edge protection, fall protection and a robust SSOW should suffice.
bob youel  
#5 Posted : 16 January 2011 10:39:32(UTC)
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bob youel

A company can deem every operation it has as a PTW operation and v-verse even working with live electricity / asbestos and as far as I can remember a PTW is not noted as a requirement in law, so its up to a company to decide

However common sense should prevail and, in my opinion, only activities/people etc that are high risk should need to go to the lengths of a full PTW system as good RA's, WSSW etc should be suitable and sufficient for other areas. But may I pass across a warning; not all high risk areas involve working with live electricity and similar as some high risk areas are missed because people concentrate on specific traditional areas instead of operating 'outside the box'

frankc  
#6 Posted : 16 January 2011 13:43:42(UTC)
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frankc

bob youel wrote:
A company can deem every operation it has as a PTW operation and v-verse even working with live electricity / asbestos and as far as I can remember a PTW is not noted as a requirement in law, so its up to a company to decide


A good concise answer, Bob without feeling the need to score points. I have worked at height under a PTW system even though it wasn't a legal requirement. The client insisted we did so.
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