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Fretwell38988  
#1 Posted : 26 January 2011 09:39:53(UTC)
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Fretwell38988

My Company has always used the HSE Statistics as an external benchmark against our performance; however, we are now looking at using the Labour Force Survey instead. I understand the difference between them both and than neither of them offer a true reflection of the accident and incident rates within the UK but personally believe that the HSE statistics offer the better choice as it is based upon real RIDDOR data that is collated through a Government office. I want to know what other members think about which stats offer the better solution to external benchmarking. Thanks
Yossarian  
#2 Posted : 26 January 2011 11:10:01(UTC)
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Yossarian

In my previous organisations I have used the HSE Stats as a benchmark, purely because they were the enforcers in both cases and the stats were "Official Government Figures". However, I see no problem with using both HSE and LFS figures as benchmarks (a seperate line on the graph for each) providing your management don't start thinking they're 'allowed' more accidents than they are currently having. Do be aware of the following headline though, which hints at under-reporting in some sectors: http://www.shponline.co....il-riddor-irregularities
Fletcher  
#3 Posted : 26 January 2011 12:15:21(UTC)
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Fletcher

Previously I have used HSE and industry association compiled statistics but always with a big pinch of salt as Yossarian points out they may not reflect the true accident figures. I have also found that the executive/senior management were more interested in the company statistics than other statistics as these contained near misses, minor accidents etc. Yossarian Where's you avatar gone? All I saw today was a red x Take Care
KieranD  
#4 Posted : 26 January 2011 17:15:27(UTC)
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BOTH the HSE and ONS Labour Force Surveys are state-of-the-art products. ALL professionally-designed (and other) surveys contain margins of error: the professional ones are those where the authors can tell you reliably the extent of the error. Error is part of the very nature of this kind of measurement - and it's worth ensuring that management understand why or they are not measuring their production or quality validly either. If you want better-focused external benchmarks, see what the trade associaions and employers' organisations in your sector may have on offer. Some of them are well designed and state of the art.
Yossarian  
#5 Posted : 27 January 2011 10:09:01(UTC)
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Yossarian

Kieran, Unfortunately my experience of external benchmarks in the Construction Products industry was the opposite. There appeared to be an unwillingness to share accident stats with anyone externally (including trade associations) for benchmarking purposes, in case the business was identified and lost subsequent supply contracts. ...That was 9 years ago and things may have changed, but I doubt it as the problem was deep rooted and spread across many organisations. You yourself know more about culture change in business than most.
KieranD  
#6 Posted : 27 January 2011 10:34:56(UTC)
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Yossarian You've actually illustrated the very point I made, namely about 'SOME' trade associations The example you chose is one in which MANY trade associations and employers organisations are not staffed with relevant specialists. If you wish to test my assertion, access relevant data from the CBI and interpret them validly. Some professional sociieties e.g. CIPD, are also reliable sources of valid data on behaviour at work. The major issue concerns the qualtiy of statistical evaluation necessary to make valid judgements about out behaviour at work; for example, to interpret the changing pattern of absence from work due to injury and other causes, it's both the CBI and CIPD data on absence are needed alongisde those of the HSE and the ONS over a period of years.
KieranD  
#7 Posted : 27 January 2011 11:03:16(UTC)
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If you want to achieve the best possible solution to the problem you identify, it's advisable to use set theory with Venn Diagrams to enable management to visualise actual relaitonships in risk levels and actions possible to change them.
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