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CW1969  
#1 Posted : 28 January 2011 16:35:20(UTC)
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CW1969

In a shared office block containing 2 floors with different offices and company's renting areas/units, who is responsible for carrying out the fire risk assessment for each office. The landlord of tenant ?? Also if one of the offices only has one means of escape due to the way in which the landlord has divided the office units who is responsible for rectifying this. Regards
Heather Collins  
#2 Posted : 28 January 2011 16:42:31(UTC)
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Heather Collins

The "Responsible Person" under the RR(FS)O is always the employer where there is one. In this case, each separate employer within the office block should do their own FRA. Each should also co-operate with and talk to the others. The common areas will probably be covered by each separate company anyway if they form a part of their means of escape but the landlord may also have a responsibility here. It will depend on the exact layout and arrangement of the premises and on who has the maintenance responsibility under the lease. As for the single means of escape. This may actually be pefectly OK in a low risk premises where the occupancy isn't that high. It will depend on the FRA.
RayRapp  
#3 Posted : 28 January 2011 16:44:31(UTC)
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RayRapp

I believe the Landlord is responsible for completing FRAs in a shared occupancy. These should then be communicated to those who lease the building so that they in turn can do their own FRAs and everyone is signing off the same hymn sheet. The fire exit issue should have been identified initially by the Landlord, otherwise he should be advised and hopefully resolve.
Bob Shillabeer  
#4 Posted : 28 January 2011 16:50:12(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

The tenent of each part of the building is responsible for the FRA and the landlord is responsible for the public areas (ie outside the office) In practice the tenent should also take account of the public areas as they may well have an impact upon the escape routes available to his staff. There needs to be close cooperation between the landlord and the tenent to ensure the FRA is adequate and covers any aspect that can affect his operation. That often meens cooperateing with other tenents as well. It is not a stand alone thing as you need to take account of how other employers activity can affect your business. Better to arrange to meet with all tenents and the landlord to agree an action plan.
Bob Shillabeer  
#5 Posted : 28 January 2011 16:54:22(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Ray I'm afraid you are wrong it is the tenent who is responsible for the premises he controls. He has to work with the landlord who in many buildings is simple a contact with responsibility for issues such as security and maintenance of general areas. It is the tenents legal duty to undertake the FRA as he has the knowledge of what activity takes place within his premises (even if they are leased).
RayRapp  
#6 Posted : 28 January 2011 17:32:06(UTC)
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RayRapp

Bob Thanks, I stand corrected. Clearly I don't do FRAs as a rule!
bleve  
#7 Posted : 29 January 2011 02:08:31(UTC)
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bleve

Ray By the same token, clearly you should also not be carrying out FRA as an exception to the rule either. It should be the case whereby members should be able to recognise their limitations.
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