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stonecold  
#1 Posted : 02 February 2011 08:27:15(UTC)
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stonecold

Hello I have a COSHH related question. We have a design team who use spraymount. (an aersol type spray glue). In the exposure section of the MSDS for this product it quotes a max STEL of 1500ppm. I understand all about COSHH assessments, related PPE etc, but what I dont undertsand is how you know wheter or not you are exceeding the STEL and therefore exposing the employee to too much of the product? Is air monitoring the only solution? The problem I have is that our employees only use the product occasionally and surely air monitoring would be a bit OTT? How else can you determine if the STEL/ WEL or TWA is being exceeding? Or do you actually have to at all if its only occasional use? Please help! :)
SteveL  
#2 Posted : 02 February 2011 09:07:28(UTC)
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SteveL

Why can you not use a stain tube detector, in the first instance to determine if air monitoring is required. If you can not prove that you are not exceeding the stated limits, then it must be assumed that you are exceeding them, and placing your employees at risk.
stonecold  
#3 Posted : 02 February 2011 09:21:17(UTC)
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stonecold

If the product is used very rarely, for example 5 mins a day, once a week, would your suggested approach still be worthwhile?
chris.packham  
#4 Posted : 02 February 2011 09:30:47(UTC)
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chris.packham

If the product is only used occasionally and, in my experience, this is generally only for a few seconds, and if this is done in a well ventilated environment I very much doubt whether there is any significant risk. This product is widely used in many graphic arts activities and I have been unable to find any record of it ever having been reported as a problem. Furthermore, the STEL almost certainly is due to one of the constituents in the adhesive. If this sticks to the paper, where is the inhalation risk? (This is only a thought as I don't have the safety data sheet on the product.) So I would take a look first at how it is being used, i.e. how often, for how long, under what conditions. I would also check the safety data sheet to establish which of the constituents is the cause of the STEL. I would anticipate that your risk assessment would then almost certainly not indicate that monitoring is needed. Chris
SteveL  
#5 Posted : 02 February 2011 09:31:55(UTC)
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SteveL

I have become ill, and the substances that I use at work have caused it! You prove that it has not. What is the cost of a stain tube. Due diligence?
Ron Hunter  
#6 Posted : 02 February 2011 09:33:44(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

The first point of clarification should be about the constituent or product having that STEL. Is this STEL only relevant to one constituent of the product? Is it present in significant quantity and does it actually become bio-available in use etc. I've always considered these products to be relatively benign? What do the manufacturer's / suppliers instructions for safe use say?
Kate  
#7 Posted : 02 February 2011 09:37:46(UTC)
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Kate

How rarely it is used can't have any bearing on whether the STEL is approached or exceeded - all that will affect this is how it is used, the volatility of the substance and the amount of it in the product (presumably it is an ingredient in the product rather than the product itself that has the STEL). I'm not sure what you mean by "max STEL" (it's lower STELs that are more of a concern!), but 1500 ppm is quite high, and you might be able to conclude that it was unlikely to be reached in all the circumstances. An alternative approach that might be more proportionate is to base your assessment on whether it is being used in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions.
SteveL  
#8 Posted : 02 February 2011 09:48:28(UTC)
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SteveL

stonecold "but what I dont undertsand is how you know wheter or not you are exceeding the STEL and therefore exposing the employee to too much of the product? Is air monitoring the only solution? The problem I have is that our employees only use the product occasionally and surely air monitoring would be a bit OTT?" I realize that I went a bit of course in the second of my posts. But why can you not use a stain tube detector.
stonecold  
#9 Posted : 02 February 2011 09:56:19(UTC)
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stonecold

Hi Stevel Its not that I oppose using a stain tube or any other measuring techinque...Im just not sure if this approach would be valuable or neceassry due to the very very limited use of the product... Im a firm beleiver in a less is more kind of approach in regard to safety where possible, we sometimes get a bad rap for over the top controls and approaches, However if someone with more knowledge and experience with me in the subject beleives measuring IS neceassry regardless of how often the product is used and reccomends so, I would happily do it.
SteveL  
#10 Posted : 02 February 2011 10:03:04(UTC)
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SteveL

stonecold you asked how to know if WEL STEL or TWA is exceeded. I went for the easiest option that I know off
Ron Hunter  
#11 Posted : 02 February 2011 10:14:08(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I believe the material in question may be acetone. The STEL (15 min reference, ppm) does align with last EH40. I still concur with Chris - adequate ventilation in use.
David Bannister  
#12 Posted : 02 February 2011 10:28:01(UTC)
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David Bannister

Agree that general good ventilation is probably going to keep any exposure to low levels and provided the designers are using the spray mount as directed on the tin and are not spraying loads of the stuff at each other they should be OK. However, I have seen this used in a small "box room" environment and the design team love it: they are continually high! To digress slightly, the quantities and methods of storage and disposal may have implications for your fire risk assessment.
ITER  
#13 Posted : 02 February 2011 10:37:35(UTC)
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ITER

I was told by a very experienced occupational hygienist that Drager stain tubes etc are only accurate to about 30% anyway, so not a particulary reliable way of judging if a STEL/WEL is being breached. At best a first stage indicator. Especially if operating close to the WEL/STEL limit. I would agree with Chris Packham - if the other controls are good, LEV/ventilation, working practices, short exposure time. Then the situation should be ok. The substance with the 1500ppm STEL/WEL might only be a small part of the overall compound, which is another point to consider. 1500ppm is quite a high STEL. Given all of the evidence, I think it might well be justified to conclude that the WEL/STEL is unlikely to be exceeded. The justification being the body of evidence available and, yes, the considered opinion of a competent safety adviser. Air sampling is unlikely to be needed. As others have indicated, not everything has to be done to reduce risk - so far as is reasonably practicable etc. Have you reached a justified conclusion for your CoSHH risk assessment?
chris.packham  
#14 Posted : 02 February 2011 11:39:30(UTC)
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chris.packham

Having looked at a safety data sheet for Spraymount it seems that it is the acetone that has the STEL. I use Spraymount regularly and my experience is that I can get at least 40 x 5 second shots from a 400 ml can. A 400 ml can will contain a maximum of 160ml of acetone, so this equates to around 4ml per use. Note that 5 secs is actually quite a long time when using Spraymount. Given that the STEL equates to 3,630 mg/m3, have I really got a major risk from occasional use? Incidentally acetone is the solvent in many nail polish removers. Anyone done air monitoring in a beauty salon? Chris
stonecold  
#15 Posted : 02 February 2011 11:58:01(UTC)
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stonecold

Thank you all for the repsonses. It has been a great help
ahoskins  
#16 Posted : 02 February 2011 13:53:11(UTC)
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ahoskins

I recall this being an issue for us some years ago and the concern then was to do with the Hexane content, although this is a very small constituent. The manufacturer (3M) recommended use of LEV when using indoors unless there was very good natural ventilation.
Jon B  
#17 Posted : 02 February 2011 15:48:26(UTC)
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Below is an extract from Eh40 which may help. 8 Exposure should be recorded as the average over the specified short-term reference period, normally 15 minutes, and should be determined by sampling over that period. For short emissions of less than the reference period, which still may have the potential to cause harm, appropriate action should be taken to ensure that a ‘suitable and sufficient’ risk assessment is carried out to ensure that there is no risk to health from such exposures. Usage periods have been identified as around 5 minutes so IMHO neither limit is particularly appropriate (not even sure if you can get an accurate reading over such short time / concentration). Normal RA should cover this. If you are following the manufacturers instructions (good general ventilation) and their is no evidence of ill effects (no one is 'high' as described by Stuff4blokes!) then there should be no real problem. (I'd be more concerned about spraying it in the eyes and a strong degreaser (dermatitis) despite the ladies (and men) using it on the nails, though again given limited use this may not be a big issue. Hexane (n-hexane) is a different matter entirely, it has a very low WEL due to its long term irreversible effects (includes Peripheral PolyNeuropathy (nerve damage)). We use a wide variety of solvent and n- hexane used to be a common component. We have notices a great reduction in this (substitution with less hazardous at source by the manufacturer). (its not listed as constituent in this product). Come to think of it we were taught (20+ years ago) to clean up spills of this using sand (increases surface area - evaporation) and were known to be 'high as kites!' If I ever develop PPN I know where to point the finger!
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