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Hi
Would someone be able to give me some advice please?
We have an office in a temporary classroom within a school environment. The heating is through an LPG heater (gas bottles safely stored in caging). I have had a Carbon Monoxide alarm fitted, but I have been asked if there should be an air vent in the room. This is an area I know nothing about, could someone advise me please? I am happy to have one installed if I need to.
Many thanks
P.
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The quickest (and easiest) answer is yes.
You're using an LPG heater which burns fuel and a side effect of this is also that the carbon is converted to CO2. This is fine, however, in an environment where oxygen becomes scarce the carbon becomes CO with all its consequent problems.
The provision of an air vent would result in a plentiful supply of O2 and reduce the production of CO to minuscule levels.
The real question here is 'do you need to install an air vent?'. I would look at your room and determine this for yourself (seek professional help if necessary). If your room/building is air tight, which is unlikely unless it's of recent construction and to the highest standards, then you would need the air vent. In other words air cannot, on its own, get into or out of the room and your heater will use up all the O2.
Two Questions: 1. Are you happy that the CO alarm is fit for purpose? 2. Is the LPG heater not a little "industrial" for heating an office in a classroom?
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Hi Thanks for the information. As I had predicted you have come back with other questions I am unsure how to answer.
The building is old and of near to poor condition.
The CO alarm was fitted by a reputable company, so I would like to think it was fit for purpose, but again I have no expertise in this area and would not know.
The heater might seem a little industrial, but having looked at other temporary buildings, it appears a standard issue. We are hoping to re-house the team in the near future, but I need to ensure they are safe until this can be arranged.
I will do some more research and seek further advice on the alarm.
Many thanks for your time.
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Paula,
You can check the documentation from the CO alarm company for a certificate. If there's none then given them a ring and enquire. I'm sure they'll no doubt supply it to you for their product.
Mick
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Hi
Thank you I will do that when they come back from half term, and then if in doubt I will contact the alarm company.
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On the other side of the coin is how much heat is this type of heater producing, into what space and who has access to setting controls? I only ask as if an industrial type space heater the quality of air may be different without ventilation you may see a rise of respiratory tract problems etc in the mid to long term?
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Paula - has the applaince been the subject of an annual service and inspection by a suitably qualified Gas Safe engineer (with LPG on his/her ticket) - if so then I would suggest that would have picked up on any shortcomings and made appropriate recommendations to correct. If it hasn't - then you need to arrange it asap!
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It would appear I have a lot of things to find out before I can take this matter further. I will gather all the information I can and then seek appropriate advice.
I really appreciate everyones help in this matter - until you ask a question, you have no idea just how much you don't know.
Once info has been gathered I will call the contractor in and then ask more appropriate questions.
Many thanks again.
P.
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bilbo wrote:Paula - has the applaince been the subject of an annual service and inspection by a suitably qualified Gas Safe engineer (with LPG on his/her ticket) - if so then I would suggest that would have picked up on any shortcomings and made appropriate recommendations to correct. If it hasn't - then you need to arrange it asap! Hi, Yes the contractor came in quite recently and did a service - this is on an annual basis. As I am not based in the building, or near to the building, I was not party to the outcome. This was organise through the educational establishment. We only rent the room, and therefore I wanted to know what the requirements were before approaching them with any request for additional works.
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You may like to consider that CO2 can inhibit mental concentration at very low levels.
Another consideration is the humidity, which will rise very quickly with the heater exhausting into the rooms.
Not all problems arise with CO.....at around 10,000ppm nausea, headaches and vomiting start...with Carbon Dioxide.
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Paula, You describe "gas bottles safely stored in caging" This suggests that this is a permanent installation, of the type used on mobile classrooms around the country. As far as I am aware, all of these heaters will be flued installations, with little chance of any emissions of CO or CO2 into the rooms. The fact that the heater was recently serviced and is still in operation indicates that the engineer found no safety failings with the installation and therefore that there is no need for any further work. The only problem that we have had with these installations arises from the habit of leaving juice cartons on the top of the heater outlet - they can produce some interesting smells - which is where the CO alarm comes in useful. martin
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Hi Paula,
I don't like these heaters as they put an agent in the gas so you can smell a gas leak and this badly affects my asthma. We only ever used these when the electric was off and the room/office had to be occupied. We had extra guards and open windows to provide enough oxygen for combustion and to get risk of waste gas and the many molecules of water produced. Lilian
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you will definetely require ventilation, high and low. Check out the LPG suppliers websites for information. HSE are very particular in regards to LPG/GAS.
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