Hi does anyone have a good fire RA document? I was wanting a general fire RA document suitable for an office environment environment and also a document for more operational areas such as workshops and sheds for a docks.

My goodness, I can probably put a fire RA together myself but I thought it would be easier to build on something that was already developed. I cant help but think that when people mention fire risk assessments that it means they have to get in an ex fireman who has started a fire safety business to do the risk assessment. It sounds like an expensive consultancy business created out of fear to do a Risk assessment. I tell you though, those who fit the description above will keep peddling that they need a specialist to come in and do it for them each year as its a solid income stream for them; call me cynical though. Oh, btw, "try googling it" isnt really what I was after. I was after a document.

Hi Williamx, I have access to the barbour index but the BSI add on is an expensive extra I dont have access to. If anyone would `loan` me a copy of the digital PAS 79, itd be much appreciated.

Spiersy, Please don't be offended by any negative reaction to your FRA request. Fire safety is something best not borrowed, all premises are different, and using something borrowed make mean you miss something specific to your own premises. If you ever were confronted by an inspector or a judge they would make an assessment of you to determine if you were competent. Under such circumstances it's best to have worked up your own FRA from scratch, that way you might persuade them that you ARE competent. Anyway, during the time between your first and last postings you could have visited the http://www.communities.g...iresafety/firesafetylaw/ and be working own your own FRA.

Those of us that know and understand fire safety/prevention and risk assessment will not easily give away our hard work and efforts in achieving our competence in this area. Fire safety is s specialised subject and not one to be taken lightly. Yes I am a former fire brigade station officer - that was 20 years ago - I have spent the past further 20 years building up my knowledge and experience in other areas and including fire risk assessments. I agree you don't have to have served in a fire brigade to be able to carry out fire risk assessments but the experience of the consequences of fire can surely be added value. Just compare an accident to a fire situation. An accident will impact directly on a few whereas a fire can affect a whole workforce of however many people. I don't apologise for my initial remark as I believe what I have written above.

PM me I think I may be able to help.

Speirsy I am available for hire but I recommend you to competence check anyone you may be thinking of hiring. You may carry out the fra yourself if competent - have a look at the requirements of the rrfso and then decide. You need two guidance documents, one for offices the other probably factories and warehouses, they both offer guidance on carrying out the fra. You may also need to follow requirements of the dock board etc. Good luck whatever you decide.

DP you are right I don't know the facts but the video is in the public domain and I didn't apportion blame in any way. However it is a fact that Poundland have been prosecuted recently for failings in the area of fire safety, also in the public domain so I don't see any problem discussing it here? I think anyone would agree there was a failing for that fire situation to arise and it could have been a poor fire risk assessment?

Rocky, for Scotland go to www.infoscotland/firelaw and download the necessary guidance docs as suggested by a previous posting. There are also some fairly basic templates that you can 'build on' as you suggested - good luck.

My expertise in fire risk assessment has been built up over many years of training and experience and a number of completed fire risk assessments over the past 16 years since fire risk assessment became a separate requirement. (Workplace fire regs.) I have attended the Fire Service College for fire safety and fire investigation training and also attended one day fire safety seminars - all at a cost. £££££s. IOSH are advertising a new CPD on ‘Fire risk assessment in construction – principles and practice’ (two days duration) at a cost to members £468. including VAT. This is followed by a further course entitled Fire risk assessment - the next level (two days) £468. inc VAT. The FPA offer similar training at similar prices. Other professional institutions offer such training and some even lead to the register of fire risk assessors. I now wonder why these courses are available if just any Tom, Dick or Harry can become a fire risk assessor when they don't even have a template for the risk assessment, and they just beg or borrow from another member? Am I wrong to think like this?

I too have constantly asked as time has gone on what the value of these courses are, I strongly believe in the CPD process, however believe that it should be changed. As with all new qualifications being developed IOSH should develop a points system making their CPD awards Nationally Accredited building toward a higher level award similar to the NEBOSH or British Safety Council Diploma for those who pass properly set exams. For people like yourself with the courses that you have done as part CPD in your topic, they should be able to attend a half day discussion group with tests set to check that you have either retained or surpassed the requirements of the award, plus alerting you to any legislative changes since the last time it was run. Other wise you end up spending endless amounts of money for an award, like you rightly say any Tom, Dick and Harry can do. The down side to the IOSH CPD programmes is that no college, university or evem government funding agency recognise them as they are not nationally accredited, meaning they are a lesser award than say a level 2 award developed in the same topic. The only downside to offering half or 1 day courses to professionals like yourself instead of two day courses at what seems different levels, which you as a professional would complete as CPD, is money. Those without the knowledge and or experience should attend the 2 day courses, the Tom, Dick and Harry's in the world, new people in the world of health and safety to whom these courses are invaluable. With all that said i believe that it is up to us, the members to push for these changes and hope for the best.