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School: Advice please. I have recommended an incident be reported to RIDDOR and my line manager has gained opposite advice from them.
The occurrence was verbally reported that a child had slipped/trip on the floor during drama, and an ambulance called and he was taken to hospital. I recommended we report to RIDDOR to cover ourselves.
It now appears that the accident report shows he was tripped and the feed back from RIDDOR was no, because of that;
1. It occured in an activity at the school.
2. Pupils were involved.
3. It was caused by a student triping another.
4. The pupil went from school to Hospital.
Now was I correct in my first assumption and would that still apply for the second as it was a supervised activity?
Are children in school considered the same as if they were general public?
Is it better to be belt and braces or not?
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Guidance on what school incidents are reportable un RIDDOR can be found in an Education Information Sheet produced by the HSE. The Info Shhet can be downloaded from: www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/edis1.pdf
This should help answer your query.
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Thank you Mike W that is very helpful. I can see a number of ways to read/interpret it. I don't see however the "horseplay" that RIDDOR mentioned that was not reportable even though it was a supervised activity.
many thanks though
bentoby
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I'm an advisor in the education field and provided the teacher was in the class at the time I wouldn't report the incident. Had the teacher left the class unattended then there may be an argument for inadequate supervision but that would depend on the age of the children.
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I concur with Wood28983 - not reportable.
Zyggy
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I have worked in the education sector for a long time and currently work at an independent school. I also agree that this is not reportable. I obviously follow the guidance but, in addition, I question "what would the HSE gain from receiving information of this nature?" Not to mention the fact that if I reported all similar/comparable incidents of this nature it would certainly distract me from much more important priorities.
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The guidance mentioned in the above link states that the accident should be reported if it results in a trip to the hospital.
It's only not reportable if it's a minor playground accident. Yes it mentions "not usually reportable... unless inadequate supervision" but this cannot supercede the regulation which states that a hospital visit is automatically reportable (and it has already stated MUST after hospital visit in the previous column so this is very clear).
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Oh and what HSE does with the report is irrelevant. RIDDOR is primarily to capture the stats. HSE have a secondary use for it and it will probably be filed away under "Not for investigation" but this should not be a reason why not to report.
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The bit about the trip to hospital only applies if the accident is deemed 'work related'. Whether an accident is work related or not overrides any other requirement. Two children messing about is not generally deemed to be work-related unless it can be shown that it was due to inadequate supervision.
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I also work in education and recently had a similar incident, it did result in student going to hospital but as not due to course activity or to failure of equipment, was told non reportable when I called RIDDOR helpline.
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Just because a pupil pays a visit to hospital does not automatically make it reportable.
As stated previously, there has to be either an act or omission on the part of the school to have caused an injury, e.g. child trips on a pot-hole in the playground, is injured, & is taken to hospital - reportable; two children bang their heads together whilst playing & are taken to hospital - not reportable (although I know that many Primary Heads do this automatically, "just in case"!)
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Zyggy is 100% spot on and the example quoted is one that I have used on numerous occasions. The key phrase used is that the incident must have 'arisen out of or in connection with the work'. Pages 13 - 15 of L73 provides some examples which are resasonably helpful. Incidentally, this applies to all RIDDOR injuries. I am quite surprised that many schools and colleges report every single time a student / pupil is taken to hospital but I guess they are also using the 'just in case' approach and are concerned that they may not report one that actually warrants a report!
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Hi Bentoby
I was once told by an HSE inspector that they have issues with companies that hide RIDDOR reportables, not ones that have made a error or misinterpreted what is a complex badly written framework document. He noted that so long has a company has investigated and made a determination (recorded) on why they have not reported an incident then there is little chance of come back. This relates to issues that are borderline - if the lad fell and broke his leg whilst walking then its cut and dry - it should be reported.
Throughout your career you will have many instances where the duty to report is borderline - as part of the investigation ring the HSE ask their advice, note down time date and who you spoke to and the advice - make the decision inform your organisation and move on to the next problem.
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Oldroyd19659 wrote:
This relates to issues that are borderline - if the lad fell and broke his leg whilst walking then its cut and dry - it should be reported.
As said several times above that depends on the circumstances ie has it 'arisen out of or in connection with the work'
Oldroyd19659 wrote:
Throughout your career you will have many instances where the duty to report is borderline - as part of the investigation ring the HSE ask their advice, note down time date and who you spoke to and the advice - make the decision inform your organisation and move on to the next problem.
That would be an awful lot of calls in a large education authority! H&S Advisers should be able to decide for themselves in most cases, or better still should have provided sound advice so local managers can decide for themselves.
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Hi Barnaby
The idea is that eventually he would get the confident and experience not to have to call any one, surely the idea of the posts is to give advice so people gain experience that will negate them needing to ask for advice about the same issue again.
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Oldroyd19659 wrote:Hi Barnaby
The idea is that eventually he would get the confident and experience not to have to call any one, surely the idea of the posts is to give advice so people gain experience that will negate them needing to ask for advice about the same issue again.
My apologies, I thought you were suggesting the OP continues ringing the HSE throughout their career whenever there is a 'borderline' instance! I also felt your tone might be mistaken as being a little patronising.
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