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RP  
#1 Posted : 09 March 2011 18:37:59(UTC)
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RP

I have been reading with interest the introduction of new Nurses/NHS staff uniforms rolling out and the problems that they appear to be causing some wearers. Google it for details. Its reported that in the region of 8% of staff issued with these new uniforms have sufferred some skin complaints which appear to vary from mild to cronic, refferal to Occupational Health. I have been told directly that some NHS staff have had medication for complaints, such as Ibobrufen. Following this closely to see how it pans out, but where is the duty of care where it is know that a product causes any reaction to employees. Is it OK to continue issueing in the light of knowledge that the uniforms are causing skin complaints. Is this a bit like the Latax issues. The latest information about this was that NHS staff have been told to wash the uniforms several times before wearing as it may be the weave of the fabric causing problems. Any thoughts on this as I think it may be a good topic for discussion about the Health/Safety issues...
chris.packham  
#2 Posted : 09 March 2011 20:23:26(UTC)
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chris.packham

Without a great deal more relevant information it is impossible to comment sensibly on what is a very muddled report. From the report it is not clear whether proper dermatological clinical investigation as to the cause of the complaints has been carried out nor what were the results in the form of a proper medical diagnosis as to the cause. So any comment would be ill informed and possibly incorrect. It is not clear whether the problem is irritant contact dermatitis, allergic contact dermatitis or a combination. Many fabrics can actually cause one or other of these problems, particularly if the fabric has been treated with, say, a stain repellant, chemical to resist creasing, anti-bacterial or other chemical. The comment regarding washing several times is not unreasonable. If there is a treatment, that may have been applied for very good reasons, then if this is a potential cause of a skin reaction this is usually removed or reduced by washing to a level that does not cause skin problems. The fact is that reactions to new clothing are not that uncommon. They can usually be resolved quickly and simply by some of the steps mentioned. Chris
PhilBeale  
#3 Posted : 10 March 2011 09:44:25(UTC)
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PhilBeale

It could potentially be the cleaning agents they are washed in as they are a lot stronger than your domestic washing powder at home. Certainly when our overalls where washed by a contractor at work a few people had reactions so they used to take there overalls home to wash them. But given part of the idea of nurses and doctors changing to these new uniforms is to stop the spread of germs and viruses to the employees home as i believe they used to wera the uniforms home and wash them. It might be worth trying to wash them at home and see if they get the same reaction. personally not convinced that it is because the material is new who ever had a reaction from new clothes they bought from a shop? Phil
teh_boy  
#4 Posted : 10 March 2011 09:56:00(UTC)
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teh_boy

PhilBeale wrote:
It could potentially be the cleaning agents they are washed in as they are a lot stronger than your domestic washing powder at home. Certainly when our overalls where washed by a contractor at work a few people had reactions so they used to take there overalls home to wash them. Phil
My wife is a nurse, she wears her uniform home and has to wash it herself!!!!!!!!!!!! This is standard practice as it cuts costs. hmmmmmm norovirus. She hasn't got the new uniforms yet but wears colour coded scrubs. Apparently this causes confusion as some shades are very similar in colour. She was asked by a doctor why their were Physios everywhere... This was actually as the colour of scrubs for wards closed due to infection risk was a slightly different purple!!!! Bring back proper uniforms! Shirts and ties for paramedics!
chris.packham  
#5 Posted : 10 March 2011 09:58:48(UTC)
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chris.packham

Phil Actually, skin reactions to new clothing is not that uncommon, as any dermatologist concerned with contact dermatitis will tell you. With many items of clothing, particularly those manufactured in the Far East, the fabric is treated with chemicals to make it appear more attractive, make it more crease or stain resistant, etc. Some of these are sensitisers and can therefore result in the wearer, who is allergic to the substance, developing an allergic contact dermatitis. Chris
PhilBeale  
#6 Posted : 10 March 2011 10:31:18(UTC)
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PhilBeale

Chris.Packham wrote:
Phil Actually, skin reactions to new clothing is not that uncommon, as any dermatologist concerned with contact dermatitis will tell you. With many items of clothing, particularly those manufactured in the Far East, the fabric is treated with chemicals to make it appear more attractive, make it more crease or stain resistant, etc. Some of these are sensitisers and can therefore result in the wearer, who is allergic to the substance, developing an allergic contact dermatitis. Chris
Hi chris i meant more about a reaction to the actual material rather than any chemicals they coated in. the chemicals they use in washing i believe could be the cause and was often complained about at my old company.
PhilBeale  
#7 Posted : 10 March 2011 10:34:31(UTC)
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PhilBeale

teh_boy wrote:
PhilBeale wrote:
It could potentially be the cleaning agents they are washed in as they are a lot stronger than your domestic washing powder at home. Certainly when our overalls where washed by a contractor at work a few people had reactions so they used to take there overalls home to wash them. Phil
My wife is a nurse, she wears her uniform home and has to wash it herself!!!!!!!!!!!! This is standard practice as it cuts costs. hmmmmmm norovirus. She hasn't got the new uniforms yet but wears colour coded scrubs. Apparently this causes confusion as some shades are very similar in colour. She was asked by a doctor why their were Physios everywhere... This was actually as the colour of scrubs for wards closed due to infection risk was a slightly different purple!!!! Bring back proper uniforms! Shirts and ties for paramedics!
I think there should be some concern about employees wearing contaminated clothing with god knows what on in to the home and thought the idea was to change to scrubs that the hospital would launder as for colour used to identify different skills of staff and very closely matching others then you have to look at the incompetence of amangement who knows maybe with the new uniforms they might get it sorted.
teh_boy  
#8 Posted : 10 March 2011 11:34:12(UTC)
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teh_boy

PhilBeale wrote:
I think there should be some concern about employees wearing contaminated clothing with god knows what on in to the home
You don't need to tell me! I refuse to touch her until the washing machine is on and she has had a shower :) I would note that when the ward is shut they don't wear the purple scrubs home... a slight relief. Sorry back to topic in hand....
chris.packham  
#9 Posted : 10 March 2011 11:36:26(UTC)
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chris.packham

Phil Reaction to the actual fabric is not common, but reaction to the coatings does occur. One of the common chemicals that is involved in this is actually formaldehyde, a well known and potent sensitiser. You are also correct to be concerned about reaction to the residues from washing powders. My daughter reacts if her clothes are washed in certain washing powders. We also investigated a case of a worker on an oil rig who had to be evacuated due to a strong skin reaction when he donned the fire-resistant coveralls. It took us quite a lot of work, including working with a very experienced specialist dermatologist, to identify that the cause was a very unusual fragrance in the washing powder used by the contractors who washed the coveralls. This was a rare sensitiser that had been missed in earlier clinical investigations by another dermatologist. He now washes his coveralls out on the rigs himself and does not have the reaction. So both fabric treatment and washing powders can be involved. I am also concerned at the idea that healthcare workers take their uniforms home and wash them themselves. Not only may these be contaminated with potentially pathogenic micro-organisms to which others might become exposed, but the usual domestic washing machine is not really powerful enought to ensure that they are adequately washed to ensure that all micro-organisms have been removed. What about the possibility, also, of other (domestic) clothing and fabrics becoing cross-contaminated? Chris
MB1  
#10 Posted : 10 March 2011 11:40:41(UTC)
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MB1

I'm amazed at some practices! I thought a general uniform is not for sterile environments but for general work? I never put scrubs on to perform aseptic techniques some moons ago! I thought 'scrubs' were designed to be worn in more sterile situations e.g. OT, invasive treatments etc... times have changed eh!
teh_boy  
#11 Posted : 10 March 2011 15:23:39(UTC)
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teh_boy

MB1 wrote:
I'm amazed at some practices! I thought a general uniform is not for sterile environments but for general work? I never put scrubs on to perform aseptic techniques some moons ago! I thought 'scrubs' were designed to be worn in more sterile situations e.g. OT, invasive treatments etc... times have changed eh!
Thanks Chris, I'm going to go home and move the 'clean' uniforms to the shed now! :) (although I think this may be bad for my immediate safety when she has to go outside at 6am tomorrow :) ) Yup, I am amazed too!! Scrubs are now worn as a norm (just get forced to watch one born every minute to see). I asked my Wife at lunch about this, they wear the coloured uniforms under discussion. And yup skin reactions are common. This is put down to a 'starching' agent and she reports it's fine after a few washes. It's good to know all this is well controlled....
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#12 Posted : 10 March 2011 16:38:22(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

Do be careful about these unsubstantiated ex-Cathedra statements. At the very best, they should be taken with a big pinch of salt. Where is the evidence for this terrible outbreak of infection that is about to befall society? Actually, there is none. Nurses have been taking home uniforms for years now, ever since the demise of hospital laundries. And perhaps for those who think about evidence but don't spend too much time looking for it, there IS research-based evidence to show that a) standard low-temperature cycles in domestic washing machines are adequeate to clean uniforms deliberately soiled with a wide range of 'hospital' micro-organisms and that b) domestic laundy powwders perform well in this process. Laboratory and general-sue white coats are laundered profesionnally for a variety of purposes, as are theatre-type clothing items which are not personalised to individual staff members. Perhaps those who are so concerned and want to spread these scare stories will consider the relatively new soft approach to healthacre that has many staff working out of uniform. And all those doctors who for reasons of hygiene are required now NOT to wear white coats on the wards? Do they travel home in their undies? Or naked, after a good scrub down with disinfectant?
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