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Hi
I’ve been thinking about the repercussions of people not being allowed to return to their place of work after an evacuation. The instructions are usually to leave the building immediately without stopping to pick up personal possessions. If return to the building is not possible they’ll have no money, no mobile phone, no train ticket, car keys, house keys the list goes on.
What do other people have in place to handle this situation?
Graham
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i think you have to bear in mind that the only case where they would not be allowed to return to the building is if there was an actual fire. More often than not it will be a false alrm or an incident that is quickly dealt with.
But if you did have a fire and people couldn't collect belongings as the fire is still in progress or the fire service won't allow access for safety reasons. then no doubt someone or a samll group will always carry a mobile phone so they could themn lend this to others to arrange to be picked up by family members etc. depending on the size of the site and number of buildings and employees then you could look at going to another building on site so long as it is remote from the incident and with F&R say so.
i would say if you are dealing with adults then sensible they should be able to make arrangements amongst them selves as i always carry my car keys and mobile so i could give a lift to other staff members. let common sense prevail. the only real issue is if you are dealing with children or elderly but as you don't state this i won't go into alternatives with this.
You employee adults so they should be able to make their own arrangements with minimal assistance from the company who will be busy dealing with the fire service.
Phil
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You develop a contingency plan for such eventuality. Common to have a mutual arrangement with neighbouring employer to provide your people with shelter until arrangements are made to get them home.There are residual issues of security of private property, cars etc. to manage in the immediate aftermath of a real emergency, be it a fire, flood, gas escape, etc.
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We use a comprehensive business continuity plan which we test every year in a desk top exercise. Part of the brief is looking after the employees, contacting taxi firms, getting them out of the weather etc. The exercise can be very revealing when the 'what ifs? come to light. For example, what if the place you were taking your staff to ended up being evacuated too? What if your house key is in your jacket, and the only other one is with your wife, in Aberdeen? Luverly stuff.
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We have different evacuation plans depending on what the threat is: If it’s a normal fire alarm then the rule is get out as quick as possible and wait in the carpark until told it is safe to go back in. If the fire is for real then we made arrangements under our continuity plans for staff to be move to another location where they wait until they are picked up. In a fire situation it is important to get staff out as soon as possible. As mentioned a real fire is unlikely and the risks if staff being marooned at work is in reality quite low as compared to the risk of them being injured in a fire. We do not allow our staff to go back to their offices to pick up personal items until we know that part of the site is safe. Basically the rule is everybody out. If the threat is a bomb we then ask that staff DO pick up all their personal items as this will make it easier for the police and security services to spot suspect devices etc.
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We allow staff to take their immediate personal belongings with them as long as they can collect it as they leave their workstation or en route (the coat-rack is adj. the office exit door). This would include men's jackets and ladies' handbags so the majority of our people would have their money, phones, keys and credit cards with them as we assemble outside. Please don't tell me that allowing evacuating staff to pick up such stuff puts them at risk - the last test evacuation we had was achieved in 54 seconds.
I am sure we would deal sympathetically with special cases where staff could not get home etc. and we would arrange transport etc. at the company's expense.
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Hi Thanks for all the comments. I thought I'd run this idea past you.
How about a two phase alarm system; interminttent alarm, go and pick up you stuff you may need to leave. If the intermittent alarm stops, then go back to what you were doing. continuous alarm now you must get out.
Often automatic detection system have delays built in to give security teams time to investigate the cause of the alarm. The one in our buidling waits three minutes before sounding the alarm. If it turns out, on investigation to be a false alarm security can stop the alarm sounding. We could at least use this time to prepare people.
Of course someone hitting the red button sets the alarm off straight away so it won't fit all cases.
Graham
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I have to say coats are the biggest issue for my employer. The operation is 24/7 and as such, colder/wetter weather can be expected for the night shifts
In one town centre location there is very little shelter at night when most neighbours are closed, or in the case of a nearby hotel, are not willing to engage with us even in respect of using their underground car park as a shelter (or space blanket store/distribution point)during inclement weather.
As Phil says, as adults, staff should be able to help each other with mobile phones and even cash (or though we do have a sum of cash which is grabbed during an evacuation for such purposes).
However keeping people dry/warm is the biggest headache and something we have only partially resolved
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messyshaw wrote:I have to say coats are the biggest issue for my employer. The operation is 24/7 and as such, colder/wetter weather can be expected for the night shifts
In one town centre location there is very little shelter at night when most neighbours are closed, or in the case of a nearby hotel, are not willing to engage with us even in respect of using their underground car park as a shelter (or space blanket store/distribution point)during inclement weather.
As Phil says, as adults, staff should be able to help each other with mobile phones and even cash (or though we do have a sum of cash which is grabbed during an evacuation for such purposes).
However keeping people dry/warm is the biggest headache and something we have only partially resolved Sorry - I should add that there doesn't seem to be any duty within the RRFSO in regards of caring for people once they have been evacuated due to fire. Is there any other legislation that requires employers have a duty of care for these refugees?
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Messy - they are still at work...... and this is foreseable..
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Very good point to raise Graham.
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