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Lammyman  
#1 Posted : 14 March 2011 10:58:01(UTC)
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Lammyman

I have just had a quick search and turned up nowt so just wondering if anyone can help, my site installation guys are being asked more frequently if they have step ladders with handles ( the ones either side), found plenty in tinternet but none that have folding/retractable handles, required due to space constraints in vehicles, folded envelope 2.0m X 0.2m. If anyone can suggest manufacturer or supplier, off forum of course, please see contact details, it would be appreciated. Thanking you in advance Regards Lammyman
brett_wildin  
#2 Posted : 14 March 2011 11:05:30(UTC)
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brett_wildin

Why not give someone like youngman a call and see if the can make adaptations to meet your requirements. Otherwise contact a good fabricator.
Ron Hunter  
#3 Posted : 14 March 2011 12:29:51(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

It is of course tempting to ask why your installation people are being asked. I would also question the value of such rails on low-reach step ladders. I would also caution against modifying existing sets. Step-ladders already have stability issues - rails can lead to misuse and an increased toppling risk.
GeoffB4  
#4 Posted : 14 March 2011 13:45:36(UTC)
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GeoffB4

Ron, the question was: I have just had a quick search and turned up nowt so just wondering if anyone can help, my site installation guys are being asked more frequently if they have step ladders with handles ( the ones either side), found plenty in tinternet but none that have folding/retractable handles, required due to space constraints in vehicles, folded envelope 2.0m X 0.2m. If anyone can suggest manufacturer or supplier, off forum of course, please see contact details, it would be appreciated.
Lammyman  
#5 Posted : 14 March 2011 13:48:25(UTC)
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Lammyman

I am with your Ron r.e value etc, it tends to be on the sites (different PC's) where our guys are required to wear safety spec,s and all times, including indoors, unfortunately going on past experience it looks like it is something we are going to have to comply with so I'm just trying to keep one step ahead.
Ron Hunter  
#6 Posted : 14 March 2011 14:57:12(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Beware introducing new potential risks in an attempt to keep the PC sweet. There is an overreaction in many quarters regarding the use of ladders generally. In terms of WAH complisance, you might want to broaden your search to consider use of lightweight podium steps as opposed to step ladders? C'mon GeoffB4, lighten up - this is a discussion forum, not a helpdesk - we're allowed to ask questions and develop the discussion further!
grim72  
#7 Posted : 14 March 2011 15:22:44(UTC)
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grim72

I agree with Ron, podium steps might be a solution for you. Don't think I've ever seen a stepladder with foldaway handrails..
Lammyman  
#8 Posted : 15 March 2011 08:20:24(UTC)
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Lammyman

We install complex equipment involving a great deal of pipework in small service areas so 90% of the time the only option available, other than climbing on the equipment, is step ladders, following detailed procedures. Handrails on step ladders would only encumber the work further in my opinion. My concern is that this has been mentioned by a number of PC's and that it is a 'movement' gathering momentum. thanks for your responses I'll take the pragmatic view and hope any jobs worth will listen to reason. Regards Lammyman
xRockape  
#9 Posted : 15 March 2011 08:45:47(UTC)
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xRockape

My understanding is that if a step ladder is of BSEN131 standard then it is suitable for use in a workplace. But I am not in construction and as such do not know the specific issues in that sector. Hope this helps.
Ron Hunter  
#10 Posted : 15 March 2011 10:19:25(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

All that said, stepladders are subject to widespread misuse, if not abuse. Stepladders become problematic in the same way as leaning ladders do when work is done to the side, as opposed to "face on". Other issues: Operatives may tend to climb too high (sometimes perching on the top step), and often the '3-points of contact' is not applied (particularly true in installation work), Stay bars not locked down when in use, Not uncommon to see a set of folding steps used (folded) as a leaning ladder! These sort of issues are of course contrary to WAHR and do attract the jusitified attention of the HSE. Stepladders are not a working platform. Back to the podium step suggestion then.
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