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Ken, I should also have pointed out that my concern over sending the wrong message re prevention of plugging in dangerous appliances was originally driven by the fact that when it comes to hair straightners, usually thought of as one of the greatest burn dangers to children, the majority of burns have been found to be caused by access to straightners left to cool, nothing to do with plugging them in! See an NHS article here: http://tinyurl.com/hairstraighteners
Taylor, Although the ANEC report was carried out in Sweden it does not specifically address Swedish issues, but applies to protective devices throughout the EU. I can claim little knowledge of Swedish sockets other than they use the common European form. This does not normally include shutters, so there is a genuine reason in seeking protection against inserting foreign bodies, also, it is a recessed socket so that a socket cover, once inserted, can only be removed with the aid of a tool. The IKEA type used in UK, as illustrated in my avatar, is based on this European design - hence the shape and the locking lugs which allow a second cover to be used as the removal tool for the inserted one.
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I repeat on page 2 of the forum...
Quote:To prevent us having to lock the topic for breach of FR 6 (promoting causes or campaigns), please can we refocus the discussion.
Answering jasonW's original query OR some other Occupational Safety & Health angle (e.g. the use of the above product in a childcare facility) would probably be acceptable.
Jon
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How sad that such an interesting, civilized, meaningful and intelligent discussion should be threatened with shutdown!
I am glad that we have more respect for free speech in the US.
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To return to the original post, the answer is that you shoulod not be advising your clients to use such devices.
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I work at an Airport and we are installing these as a Fire Safety precaution.
We insist all portable appliances are tested and yet passengers have been using the power supply for years contrary to our policy.
Ask Los Anggeles Airport about socket protection as a passenger plugged a laptop in which exploded and they lost half a Terminal through fire.
I am told that we need to put a sign also to be legally compliant?
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Hi
firstly, hands up I work in product safety rather than H&S but this forum is the most relevant one I have found and have an interest in many of the topics.
With regard to standard UK sockets IMO there is virtually no risk and that these 'socket protectors' are simply preying on the fears of parents and those running nurseries etc.
For product safety we work on a scenario process and assign probabilities to each step to establish the overall probability of the hazard.
In this case the child would have to wedge a thin object (tapered at the end and not too flexible) into the earth pin with sufficient force to open the shutters (and even correctly shaped plug pins require a lot of force). The child then has to have a second thin object (conductive this time) and push this far enough into the live pin to make contact with the metalwork.
The likelihood is already very remote without even considering the level of ensuing shock which would be dependent on the conductive path to earth or neutral - the reason why some earlier correspondents are still here to tell the tale.
In a nursery it would be almost inconceivable that any child would have access to thin, rigid metallic objects and if they did then they would also have such a lack of supervision that they could then get a shock. Even in a domestic situation the probability level is minute.
This view is supported by the data in the ANEC report (and don't forget ANEC are a pressure group ) where even with unshuttered sockets the level of accidents is comparable with falling out of restricted windows.
Apart from the total lack of need for socket covers I also think that the supposed risk from fitting them upside down is also so low that we should expend our energies elsewhere and look at real problems
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SimonL wrote:Hi
firstly, hands up I work in product safety rather than H&S but this forum is the most relevant one I have found and have an interest in many of the topics.
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Apart from the total lack of need for socket covers I also think that the supposed risk from fitting them upside down is also so low that we should expend our energies elsewhere and look at real problems
+1,
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I have followed this thread from the start.
As those regulars over here will know one of the few areas I tend to comment upon is electrical safety!
I have not posted until now for a reason.
Also even at this late stage I am not going to get into the debate.
Suffice to say I used to use them, I looked into it and now don't.
My comment is going to be only a single question in the end.
These socket protectors are not made to any recognised standard.
They are made abroad as I understand it.
They are made from a polymer material.
They are as I understand it made in a country that will print any standards you like onto equipment when it bears no resemblance to the requirements of that product standard (stillp?).
As I understand it in that country people have put antifreeze into baby milk for their own population.
Why would they worry about the quality of a product coming to the UK?
Going on past records why would they care about whether the material they use is actually conductive or not?
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The Moderators feel that this topic has run its course. It is now time to bring it to a close, and it is now locked.
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