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billb70  
#1 Posted : 16 March 2011 12:40:45(UTC)
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billb70

Hi
I have a colleague who is sat fairly close to a 40 inch ..ish wall mounted LED Monitor. He is complaining of a skin problem to the half of his face which faces the monitor with sunburn like symptoms. Has anyone heard of health issues like this with LED Monitors?
paul mc  
#2 Posted : 16 March 2011 13:12:06(UTC)
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paul mc

old crt monitors used to blast out a lot of energy, not sure about new led type but could he not turn it off or move his desk ?
are you sure it is led as these generally run cold to the touch where as plasma can run a lot hotter altho it still doesnt solve the problem of being to close to the tv
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg36.pdf

quote " Do VDUs give out harmful radiation?

No. VDUs give out both visible light, which enables us to see the screen, and other forms of electromagnetic radiation which can be harmful above certain levels. However, the levels of radiation emitted from VDUs are well below the safe levels set out in international recommendations. So your employer doesn’t have to check radiation levels from your VDU, and you do not need any special devices such as spectacles, screens or aprons when using it." unquote
safetyamateur  
#3 Posted : 16 March 2011 13:58:41(UTC)
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safetyamateur

I recall facial dermatitis being mentioned in the DSE guidance but this is more to do with relative humidity than radiation. Even then, I wouldn't expect the effect to be so localised.
leadbelly  
#4 Posted : 16 March 2011 14:58:09(UTC)
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leadbelly

Bill

Are you sure it is an LED screen? Plasma screens emit some infra-red and, if the colleague is close enough to such a screen, this could give rise to erythema (skin reddening).

LB
barnaby  
#5 Posted : 16 March 2011 15:06:25(UTC)
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safetyamateur wrote:
I recall facial dermatitis being mentioned in the DSE guidance but this is more to do with relative humidity than radiation. Even then, I wouldn't expect the effect to be so localised.


Yes, I do, too. I believe one explanation was that the static charge (or whatever - it was a while ago!)attracted dust to the skin, which caused the irritation.
chris.packham  
#6 Posted : 16 March 2011 15:22:35(UTC)
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chris.packham

My searches through the dermatological literature I have access to has revealed no evidence that LED type monitor screens have been shown to have this type of effect (but I am still looking). What data are available relate only to CRT type monitors. Given the very low energy of LEDs (particularly when compared with a CRT) I would be very sceptical about a LED monitor causing any form of skin reaction directly and certainly not any form of sunburn.

I suspect that there may be other reasons for the skin reaction, rather than the LED monitor directly. Do not exclude psychosomatic reactions manifesting themselves as a skin condition. This is far more common than many realise and can be combined with other more external conditions

Chris
billb70  
#7 Posted : 16 March 2011 16:00:19(UTC)
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billb70

Hi
Thanks for the replies, in answer, yes this is definately an LED monitor it is a samsung 50 inch wall mounted monitor. I asked the question as I have not come across anything of its nature before. I have experience with LED equipment and it is normally considered to be far safer than CRT or indeed plasmas or LCD. Having looked at the face of the individual there is a definite reddening. However, I cannot rule out some other cause for the health effect but have gome through allergies, dental issues etc all negative.

In the meantime, I have had the monitor switched off as the space available is finite. Not even sure that moving the employee in the office would be sufficient and not sure that I want to use them as a guinea pig either !

bilbo  
#8 Posted : 17 March 2011 12:30:33(UTC)
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bilbo

billb70 - have you been able to rule out side effects of any medication that the individual may be taking - there is also a very common condition called "rosacea" that is very easily treated further to consultation with a medical practitioner.
SimonL  
#9 Posted : 17 March 2011 16:56:03(UTC)
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SimonL

Presumably you have contacted Samsung directly and also checked for any notes in the user manual? if you haven't got one then they can usually be downloaded.
bob youel  
#10 Posted : 17 March 2011 17:58:29(UTC)
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bob youel

Also get the person to contact their doctor/your Occie health provider to evaluate the situation and report back to U
Canopener  
#11 Posted : 17 March 2011 20:31:59(UTC)
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Canopener

The only thing that I would add in response to Paul's post at #2, is that I believe that guidance was written quite some time ago (I seem to recall that I have been reading that information for over 15 years) and I wonder if it has caught up with the 'emerging' technologies.

I agree with Bob, in that, in the first instance the individual should consult their GP who is, after all, responsible for their clinical care.
descarte8  
#12 Posted : 18 March 2011 11:49:34(UTC)
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descarte8

From doing a bit of research I have found that the lowest wavelengths that you will likely find in LED's as used in the TV are the high intensity blues @ ~430nm wavelength.

UVA tends to be at wave lengths less than 400nm with UVB be at even lower.

Unless it is malfunctioning with excesive voltage going to certain LED's (even if this is possible?) it would be unlikely for the LED's to be emitting the wavelength light required to generate a sunburn type effect.

It dosnt sound like their symptoms are typical of Photodermatitis or Solar urticaria (more blotchy / rash) and due to the facts above on wavelength this is unlikely, however...

It could possibly be initial stages of Chronic actinic dermatitis (however this is mostly common in individuals - men - aged over 50) as this can affect individuals even in visible wavelengths. However you would expect the individual to be aware of this illness from effects during the summer months and the symptoms are generally a lot worse than just redenning of the facial tissue.

Dermatology By Otto Braun-Falco has some quite graphic pictures that are probably going to give me nightmares tonight.

Conclusion? turn the TV off, move the individual, dont look too deeply on the internet, you will probably traumatise yourself (like I did)

:-)

Des
paul mc  
#13 Posted : 18 March 2011 11:56:28(UTC)
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paul mc

agrees with des
I found alot of info regarding kelvin temps and colours, ie red is high temp blue low but couldnt really find any "ah thats the temperature radiating heat answer"
teh_boy  
#14 Posted : 18 March 2011 12:00:23(UTC)
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teh_boy

descarte8 wrote:
Conclusion? turn the TV off, move the individual, don't look too deeply on the internet, you will probably traumatise yourself (like I did)
Des


As it's Friday

@Des - At least if you need some time off for your traumatic experience we have established that it is not RIDDOR reportable :)
kevbell  
#15 Posted : 18 March 2011 12:46:44(UTC)
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kevbell

tech boy RIDDOR Thank God its Friday
billb70  
#16 Posted : 18 March 2011 12:47:30(UTC)
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billb70

Hi
Many thanks to all those who replied with a range of very helpful solutions. This is one of the reasons why I joined IOSH !

I ams till working through the issue and the monitor has been switched off temporarily until some idea of where the issue lies, the employee has been referred to our inhouse OH service and the employee was advised to tell their GP about the issue. I am lucky that I have inhouse expertise on radiation with our D.I.M officers who have the equipment and training to determin any levels of radation coming from the monitor. However, I have to say that there is very little out there in relation to LED radiation issues and compared to CRT, Plasma and LCD emissions from LEDs are very small. The manufaturer Samsung, through its agents have advised that they have no history of anything of this nature. Theerfore awaiting further input regarding the employee themselves.
A Kurdziel  
#17 Posted : 18 March 2011 16:08:09(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Have a look at the document ‘Guide to Artificial Optical Radiation Directive’ at
http://www.hse.gov.uk/ra...onionising/aor-guide.pdf

If you have a background in radiation this should be very useful. Failing that contact the HPA.
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