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Bob Howden  
#1 Posted : 18 March 2011 08:08:39(UTC)
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Bob Howden

Has anybody else noticed an increased use of e-cigarettes in and around their workplaces? They look very realistic and it is difficult to spot the difference at a distance. Since they don’t produce any smoke I suppose that they technically comply with the legislation. Personally I don’t like them as it can lead to confrontation when a person is challenged when they appear to have a real cigarette in their mouth. Has anyone considered making a workplace ruling on them, or is it just another short term fad that is best ignored? Thanks
simonmillward  
#2 Posted : 18 March 2011 08:13:58(UTC)
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simonmillward

Bob Its another fad and like you have pointed out what harm or risk are they in the work place?? No more harm than the guy sat over the other side of the office with an IPOD banging away and a fire alarm going off in the back ground!! Maybe a bulletin on the staff notice board identifying them to others to head off any confusion!! Simon
bob youel  
#3 Posted : 18 March 2011 10:12:08(UTC)
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bob youel

One place that I advise in has banned them completely
Bob Howden  
#4 Posted : 18 March 2011 12:03:58(UTC)
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Bob Howden

bob youel wrote:
One place that I advise in has banned them completely
We are considering this, but want to be sure of our ground first - hence this 'fishing' post to see if anyone else has gone down this route. Thanks
PhilBeale  
#5 Posted : 18 March 2011 12:30:36(UTC)
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PhilBeale

Surely you can't ban them if they don't produce smoke fumes etc. If they help people to stop smoking then to prevent them from using these aids you would simple be aiding them in not giving up smoking. i guess you could make up your own company policy but not from any legal viewpoints in terms of the the ban on smoking in buildings. if it's not causing harm to others then surely you would be wrong in stopping them if others have difficulty in knowing the difference then surely that is their problem and not those trying to give up so long as everyone knows the rules and those that are caught smoking illegally are dealt with then there should be no issue. what next ban people for sucking on sweets or nibbling on pens tops. Phil
paul mc  
#6 Posted : 18 March 2011 12:58:15(UTC)
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paul mc

I suppose you could ban them under your drugs policy with regard to nicotine intake on the premises, but then theres patches to take into consideration, oh and chewing gum. Would the individuals then go to the smoking bubble to use there non smoking devices? thus forcing them into a smoking enviroment ? I can feel a can of worms opening with banning it, perhaps a (non smoking device smoking area for non smokers )
SteveL  
#7 Posted : 18 March 2011 13:19:12(UTC)
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SteveL

bob Quick question, Does your company have a smoking policy with the words or similar, "we will endeavour to help any person within the company wishing to stop smoking" If you do are you not in breach of this by banning a help aid.
L McCartney  
#8 Posted : 18 March 2011 13:39:18(UTC)
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L McCartney

we've banned them but not because of smoking legislation as they are not under this. Our reasoning is that we didn't have smoking inside anyway or in front of the people we support. we were also advised that they could give of nicotine vapours - though as that was never confirmed it wasn't part of the decision
ptaylor14  
#9 Posted : 18 March 2011 13:40:40(UTC)
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ptaylor14

PhilBeale wrote:
Surely you can't ban them if they don't produce smoke fumes etc. If they help people to stop smoking then to prevent them from using these aids you would simple be aiding them in not giving up smoking. i guess you could make up your own company policy but not from any legal viewpoints in terms of the the ban on smoking in buildings. if it's not causing harm to others then surely you would be wrong in stopping them if others have difficulty in knowing the difference then surely that is their problem and not those trying to give up so long as everyone knows the rules and those that are caught smoking illegally are dealt with then there should be no issue. what next ban people for sucking on sweets or nibbling on pens tops. Phil
Im with you on this one, do these people wake up in the morning and think what can we ban today????
kdrum  
#10 Posted : 18 March 2011 14:21:07(UTC)
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kdrum

We have just updated our smoking policy and as part of it we support a smoking ceasation programme, if as another poster mentioned we banned these I think it would be in breach of the policy if they are the ones designed to help people give up.
rosstoward  
#11 Posted : 18 March 2011 14:22:16(UTC)
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rosstoward

As Bon Jovi said "You give safety a bad name". I Wouldn't stop anyone using e cigs at our place. I would encourage it if they were wanting to stop....... common sense please conker banners!!!!!!!!
chris4347  
#12 Posted : 18 March 2011 14:23:22(UTC)
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chris4347

This topic in my opinion is why safety and health advisers get bad press. What would be the reaon for banning them, are they causing harm, do they present a risk to employees in the workplace. The answer is NO. These people who use these devices are trying to stop smoking which damages their health and others around them. A responsible company would support this not ban it. I feel that these days safety proffesionals are concentrating on pointless issues like this rather than trying to tackle real risks in the workplace. And we wonder why the press/media have a field day with our proffesion!!!
chris4347  
#13 Posted : 18 March 2011 14:25:31(UTC)
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chris4347

Sorry first line supposed to read ' This topic in my opinion is a perfect examble why safety and health advisers get bad press.......'
chris4347 wrote:
This topic in my opinion is why safety and health advisers get bad press. What would be the reaon for banning them, are they causing harm, do they present a risk to employees in the workplace. The answer is NO. These people who use these devices are trying to stop smoking which damages their health and others around them. A responsible company would support this not ban it. I feel that these days safety proffesionals are concentrating on pointless issues like this rather than trying to tackle real risks in the workplace. And we wonder why the press/media have a field day with our proffesion!!!
Tim Eldridge  
#14 Posted : 18 March 2011 14:26:57(UTC)
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Tim Eldridge

Jeez - I hope the Daily Mail isn't scanning the forum for stories today - surely ammunition for another 'elf n safety goes mad story. Good on the last 2 posters for bringing some perspective to this.
bob youel  
#15 Posted : 18 March 2011 14:30:43(UTC)
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bob youel

Any company can ban anything they want to ban [providing the ban is not against the law] within their workplace. The ban refereed to is based on driving risk assessments and even nibbling on a pen top is banned when driving [Yep it is!] and management is very proactive in ensuring the rules are adhered to All staff know exactly where they stand and people have been disciplined in the past but nowerdays stick to the rules so discipline stats have also dropped and even when working there is nowhere to stop and have a smoke! since the ban came in the company have drastically reduced their reversing and driving into narrow opening etc incidents and their insurance fees so they can prove that the ban has helped as in the past drivers smoking whilst reversing etc caused a large amount of damage now they just concentrate on the driving not the thing in their mouth Its not my rule I am just reporting back
Canopener  
#16 Posted : 18 March 2011 14:58:07(UTC)
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Canopener

I have never smoked (unless you count those quick couple of puffs behind the bike shed when I was 10!), I do not 'like' to be exposed to the habit, but I am struggling to find convincing justification for such a ban. If this helps people give up smoking, then I would have thought that most reasonable employers would not have a problem with them. I'm sorry, but I was rather 'tickled' at the reasoning that it could lead confrontation when a person is challenged when they appear to have a real cigarette in their mouth. I would have thought that any confrontation would, in the circumstances, be very short lived.
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