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This may seem really basic but has started a bit of a debate (I am entering my companys data into a group database, we class all cuts as first aid cases but compared to other companies figures thay look really high) - what would be classified as first aid? If I cut my finger and can apply my own plaster would this be first aid or would it only be first aid if i had to get a trained first aider to apply it because i was unable to?
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I would class most cuts at work as 'accidents' and record them as such. Whether you administer your own first-aid or request a trained first-aider to help is then recorded on the accident record.
Hope that helps. Don't get too worried about comparing yourself with other companies, just aim to reduce your own accident frequency rate to start with. Look at the causes of the cuts and whether there are repeating themes, then address those with training.
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In an earlier life I was a steel fixer, shutterer, groundworker, if you were to class every cut as first aid then it would more than likely take longer to write it down than lick it and stick it. First aid is the preservation of life until qualified help arrives. To a cut wrist maybe this would apply, to a wire cut?
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Thanks Peter, I am not too worried about our performance but we have to report first aid cases as a group requirement, our data looks disproportionate in comparison, either the other companies suffer from under reporting or we need to redefine what a first aid case is!
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stevel wrote:In an earlier life I was a steel fixer, shutterer, groundworker, if you were to class every cut as first aid then it would more than likely take longer to write it down than lick it and stick it. First aid is the preservation of life until qualified help arrives. To a cut wrist maybe this would apply, to a wire cut?
I agree with you Steve (I was a steel erctor in a previous life) time to redefine me thinks :)
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I suggest that the group needs to define what is or isn't 'first aid'. The trouble is that you will often be comparing apples with pears which is why you may find that your figures are disproportionate to others within the group. That is unless the management of risk in one particular area IS significantly worse than others. The question I would ask is whether your part of the group could expect a higher incident rate than other parts because of the type of work that you do. Personally, would I require or insist that someone who had used a plaster to cover a paper cut to put this in the accident book? NO! IF they want to, fine, but to be honest I have bigger fish to fry.
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Steven, in my experience most 'benchmarking' doesn't go to hte level of first aid cases exactly becasue of the reporting and classification issues that you have encountered. It is usual to classify as follows: Major RIDDOR; >3-Day RIDDOR, Lost time, and Minor - with any first aid cases entered into this last group. The last group is usually discounted for any serious consideration becasue of the many differing classifications. Phil is also correct that you need to be cautious to ensure that your business is on a parr with others in the group, otherwise your benchmarking will be relatively pointless.
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Steve
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Steven - we use the following OSHA guidelines to decide if it is a First Aid Case (FAC).
This is standard guidance for all our units and allows for consistency of reporting
OSHA definitions – applicable to all operating locations
First Aid
An injury that is minor in nature but requires defined basic medical attention. First aid treatments are
restricted to the following:
Using a non-prescription medication at non-prescription strength (for medications available in
both prescription and non-prescription form, a recommendation by a physician or other
licensed health care professional to use a non-prescription medication at prescription strength
is considered medical treatment for record keeping purposes)
Administering tetanus immunisations (other immunisations, such as Hepatitis B vaccine or
rabies vaccine, are considered medical treatment)
Cleaning, flushing or soaking wounds on the surface of the skin;
Using wound coverings such as bandages, Band-Aids™, gauze pads, etc.; or using butterfly
bandages or Steri-Strips™ (other wound closing devices such as sutures, staples, etc., are
considered medical treatment);
Using hot or cold therapy;
Using any non-rigid means of support, such as elastic bandages, wraps, non-rigid back belts,
etc. (devices with rigid stays or other systems designed to immobilise parts of the body are
considered medical treatment for record keeping purposes);
Using temporary immobilisation devices while transporting an accident victim (e.g., splints,
slings, neck collars, backboards, etc.).
Drilling of a fingernail or toenail to relieve pressure, or draining fluid from a blister;
Using eye patches;
Removing foreign bodies from the eye using only irrigation or a cotton swab;
Removing splinters or foreign material from areas other than the eye by irrigation, tweezers,
cotton swabs or other simple means;
Using finger guards;
Using massages (physical therapy or chiropractic treatment are considered medical treatment
for record keeping purposes); or
Drinking fluids for relief of heat stress.
Hope this helps
David
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Thank you all for your input.
Phil, again I agree with you I have bigger fish to fry too, we are a manufacturing facility little cuts will happen regardless of what anyone says.
David H -thanks in particular for your input, our new group is a US one so OSHA will prevail, only one point you mention band-aids(tm!) my initial post was around this point if i cut myself and put a band aid on myself is it first aid or does it only become first aid if a first aider applies the band-aid?!
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Steven n wrote:Thank you all for your input.
Phil, again I agree with you I have bigger fish to fry too, we are a manufacturing facility little cuts will happen regardless of what anyone says.
(edit with better grammer!) David H -thanks in particular for your input, our new group is a US one so OSHA will prevail, only one point, you mention band-aids(tm!) my initial post was around this point, if i cut myself and put a band aid on myself is it first aid or does it only become first aid if a first aider applies the band-aid?!
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Steven - in my mind does not matter who applies - as the skin has been wounded and requires treatment (although minimal) - so injury has occurred.
This leads to questions of reporting - if you apply your own first aid is it not reported?
And do all your ops have their own first aid kit?
David
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Hi Everyone
I am in manufacturing, any cuts goes in the accident book, Any lost day cases over 3 days get reported to RIDDOR, I work for an American corporation with over 35,000 employees, so I have to report to them On my Monthly KPI's on all accidents, whether serious or not, everyone has little nicks and cuts its part of the job we do, but I still report, I issue gloves, and Kevlar sleeves to reduce the accidents, YTD I have had one minor cut to tip of finger, and I have achieved world class in health and safety for 2009 & 2010
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Also working with OSHA definitions, I have to classify all incidents down to the two lowest levels of "first aid" and "no injury". So anything with the slightest injury gets recorded as first aid even if no treatment was actually given.
The purpose of the OSHA definition of first aid is not so much to define what is first aid, as what isn't medical treatment (and thus isn't recordable under OSHA). All sorts of other things could legitimately be called first aid as tehy are things that first aiders are trained to do - such as simply looking after someone who has just fainted.
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