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martin1  
#1 Posted : 11 April 2011 11:30:19(UTC)
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martin1

All, I don't like asking but I am struggling to come up with a format for working at height assessments. I know what should be covered but just getting stuck on what my form will look like!! Has anyone got any useful examples? with thanks M
Kate  
#2 Posted : 11 April 2011 11:36:06(UTC)
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Kate

I wrote one (though I no longer have a copy) that just went logically through the thought process. First identify the work (with sketch if useful). Then a series of one-line questions going down the hierarchy - can the objective be achieved without work at height, and so on down to fall arrest.
MB1  
#3 Posted : 11 April 2011 11:37:33(UTC)
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MB1

Martin, 100000000's via google etc come up, just need to choose what's best for your needs?
JohnW  
#4 Posted : 11 April 2011 19:41:31(UTC)
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JohnW

Hi Martin1, I can't actually give you the form I use but will describe how it goes. Page 1 is general questions (of course first one says does the work have to be.... :o) and then is the roof or work area fragile, any unprotected edges, surface deterioration by weather, is fall-restraint advised, toeboards, hard hat, etc Then there's an equipment choice question which directs you to the relevant section on other pages. The choice is ladder, platform, scaffold, mobile tower, MEWP, harnesses, etc etc For each kit there's a set of questions and comment section. Each section starts with 'Have employees had Work At Height training? Competent in use of the equipment? Has ground been inspected? Then about 10 questions for the particular WAH equipment and job, e.g. over head obstructions? Platform size, tower height, scaffold inspection, barriers, pedestrian risks, etc etc. If you haven't had formal training yourself you can work out the appropriate questions for each method from the relevent HSE INDG and HSG publications (all free). At the end ... phew... of the form there's a Further Precautions section and comments, again it's all questions, like Has severe weather forecast been..., is there adequate space to remove waste...., operators trained in use of PPE..., competent supervision...., is there suitable means of communication...., is there a rescue procedure.... It's all in a tabled 3-page word document with yes/no/na and comments, and names of responsible person to implement each control etc. JohnW
Ron Hunter  
#5 Posted : 11 April 2011 19:49:09(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

WAHR covers roof work, excavations and everything inbetween. How do you "pro-forma" that? I'd suggest a greater focus on the task or activity risk assessment. Too much focus on WAH and you're liable to forget something else equally important.
boblewis  
#6 Posted : 11 April 2011 20:53:06(UTC)
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boblewis

I am totally with Ron here, there is far too much emphasis on Hazard Risk assessment abroad rather than dealing with the task itself. Height is but one of the hazards to be encountered. We are in real risk of being so reductionist in our thinking that we will end up with umpteen hazard assessments to carry out a single task. The danger of gaps in control then increase dramatically with the number of assessments. Bob
JohnW  
#7 Posted : 12 April 2011 08:40:43(UTC)
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JohnW

Ron, Bob, To be fair my WAH 'pro-forma' is an attempt to reduce the 'umpteen risk assessments' down to one WAH assessment, and if there's the time or the need a 5-step RA can be written up too to include manual handling, HAVS and whatever else. My pro-forma asks all the WAH questions to ensure the job has been properly thought through. I've explained how it's done and the further questions includes Has a Method Statement been written? which HAS to be done on construction sites and should be done elsewhere too.
boblewis  
#8 Posted : 12 April 2011 09:23:15(UTC)
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boblewis

John To be fair you sound as though you have a very thorough guide to dealing with WAH risks but the problem is that the need is to assess tasks for hazards and thence assess the risks and control them. Your guide helps with this BUT it cannot replace a task assessment. I feel Martin is also falling into the reductionist trap and we need to be very aware of this. It all goes back to the Diploma and other syllabuses where systems thinking is dealt with. We need to get the holistic view right - reductionism led us, and still leads us into a plethora of specific legislation and gaps are still found in the controls. This produces more legislation. As an aside I belive the HSE 5 steps is NOT adequate in many aspects especially as it actually contains more than 5 stepes if you examine it carefully. It probably has done more harm than good to the whole assessment process. Curmugeonly as ever :-) Bob
JohnW  
#9 Posted : 12 April 2011 14:01:01(UTC)
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JohnW

boblewis wrote:
Curmugeonly ...
Ah, that explains a lot :o)
boblewis wrote:
Your guide helps with this BUT it cannot replace a task assessment.
I agree Bob, I haven't replaced anything, the pro-forma is just a tool that asks lots of questons to me and to the supervisor or fitter I am working with. Just to avoid missing something. The form isn't something knocked after reading a couple of HSGs, it has been developed with several customers over the years, just looked at the document footer and we're on revision 7! I agree about RA steps too but it's just when one says "5-step" one implies a properly thought out and reviewed RA has been conducted. Some folk go for a 1-step RA, as you know I'm sure, write-it-file-it one step :o/ JohnW
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