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Chrisrsp  
#1 Posted : 31 March 2011 11:03:15(UTC)
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Chrisrsp

Morning all.

A client is looking at the above and asked my advice. I have access to the usual docs and resources and have advised accordingly. However, I cannot seem to locate any suitable case law on the subject (I have tried the usual suspects). I am not looking for guidance or assessment techniques, just the case law (if any).

Does anybody know of any relating to this in particular?

Thanks in advance.

Chris.
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 31 March 2011 11:49:41(UTC)
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RayRapp

Chrisrsp  
#3 Posted : 31 March 2011 11:55:53(UTC)
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Chrisrsp

Ray

Thanks for that. Both are useful but my client may reflect upon the 'drink drive' issue in the first and the 'texting' in the second.

To clarify, they are looking at company car drivers and one of their managers has leased cars without hands-free kits. Another manager has requested they buy a hands-free kit (in ear type) until a solution is sought.

This raises the issue - what is hands free and im trying to convince that any texting, making calls, receiving calls etc. is distracting regardless of the hands-free situation.

Further cases would be great..

Thanks again Ray.

CS
Zyggy  
#4 Posted : 31 March 2011 12:49:08(UTC)
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Zyggy

Chris,
Have you tried looking at the RoSPA website?

Zyggy
Chrisrsp  
#5 Posted : 31 March 2011 12:56:38(UTC)
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Chrisrsp

Zyggy wrote:
Chris,
Have you tried looking at the RoSPA website?

Zyggy


Yes thanks and I have lots of guidance etc. It is case law (if any) that I am after..
peter gotch  
#6 Posted : 31 March 2011 13:07:29(UTC)
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peter gotch

How about this.

http://www.thisislondon....-by-dangerous-driving.do

Suggest google for

hands free phone guilty - will also pick up the not guilty verdicts.
bilbo  
#7 Posted : 31 March 2011 13:45:34(UTC)
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bilbo

Try this link

http://keepyourlicence.n...yers-solicitors-news.htm

There is one case quoted but there is also the opportunity to get in touch with the publishers
Chrisrsp  
#8 Posted : 31 March 2011 14:04:49(UTC)
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Chrisrsp

All

Excellent - thanks!
bob youel  
#9 Posted : 01 April 2011 08:07:17(UTC)
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bob youel

It does not matter if its a hands-free or not a hands-free situation because if somebody is talking on a phone and they have a crash whilst at work then U the employer is at risk as well as them and 'nobody' is important enough to need to talk on a mobile phone when driving other than specialist government services; so undertake the risk assessment and logic will say that U stop the practice

U can look at as much guidance as U want but when U end up in court there's only one way it will go if that person was using their communications device whilst at work and driving and it was common practice to encourage such actions

IF U do not buy hands-free kit in the first place U cannot get caught using them in the second place
Chrisrsp  
#10 Posted : 01 April 2011 08:55:00(UTC)
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Chrisrsp

Bob

Thanks for the reply and the implication that 'I' will be in court soon.

As I originally said, I have ample reference material, access to books and resources and I am fully conversant with the risk assessment process. I asked if anybody had any good links to case law.

My post for case law was fulfilled by a couple of kind people who directed be to suitable case law.

Chris

Leslie3048  
#11 Posted : 15 April 2011 10:53:47(UTC)
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Leslie3048

In our company no one is allowed to use a mobile phone when driving a hired or company vehicle and it does not mattter if they have a "hands free" or not.

Les
RayRapp  
#12 Posted : 16 April 2011 13:51:12(UTC)
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RayRapp

Les

Not being 'allowed to' and still doing it is not quite the same. A hands-free kit is safer than using a mobile phone against your ear, not providing a hands-free could be a bit too much of a temptation for some.
Leslie3048  
#13 Posted : 18 April 2011 10:31:10(UTC)
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Leslie3048

I agree. BUT that is our company's policy. I agree that it is very difficult to enforce esp if one is driving alone!
walker  
#14 Posted : 18 April 2011 10:49:54(UTC)
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walker

Leslie3048 wrote:
I agree. BUT that is our company's policy. I agree that it is very difficult to enforce esp if one is driving alone!


True, but if you can give folks a few court cases to illustrate what will happen if they get caught it might make them think twice.

People seem to be more worried about the consequences of loosing their licence than ploughing into the back of an artic.
David Bannister  
#15 Posted : 18 April 2011 11:03:51(UTC)
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David Bannister

Ray, I am not convinced that using a phone in hands-free mode is any safer than using one hand to hold it against an ear. It may avoid a fine but I strongly suspect that the danger arises from the attention needed to maintain the conversation rather than using one hand to drive.
Millions of drivers spend millions of hours driving one-handed for a large variety of other reasons (smoking, scratching, eating, resting an arm, laziness, etc etc) and I have never seen any evidence that this is a significant cause of accidents.
A phone conversation needs much more concentration than listening to a passenger and I totally accept that phoning is very dangerous whilst driving.
RayRapp  
#16 Posted : 18 April 2011 11:58:51(UTC)
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RayRapp

Stuff, I agree that it is the conversation which is potentially dangerous. However, dexterity is an issue especially when linked to lack of attention. For me a hands-free is still safer than using one hand on the steering wheel when negotiating roundabouts, corners, etc.
Ron Hunter  
#17 Posted : 18 April 2011 13:09:22(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

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