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Morning all.
A client is looking at the above and asked my advice. I have access to the usual docs and resources and have advised accordingly. However, I cannot seem to locate any suitable case law on the subject (I have tried the usual suspects). I am not looking for guidance or assessment techniques, just the case law (if any).
Does anybody know of any relating to this in particular?
Thanks in advance.
Chris.
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Ray
Thanks for that. Both are useful but my client may reflect upon the 'drink drive' issue in the first and the 'texting' in the second.
To clarify, they are looking at company car drivers and one of their managers has leased cars without hands-free kits. Another manager has requested they buy a hands-free kit (in ear type) until a solution is sought.
This raises the issue - what is hands free and im trying to convince that any texting, making calls, receiving calls etc. is distracting regardless of the hands-free situation.
Further cases would be great..
Thanks again Ray.
CS
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Chris, Have you tried looking at the RoSPA website?
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Zyggy wrote:Chris, Have you tried looking at the RoSPA website?
Zyggy Yes thanks and I have lots of guidance etc. It is case law (if any) that I am after..
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It does not matter if its a hands-free or not a hands-free situation because if somebody is talking on a phone and they have a crash whilst at work then U the employer is at risk as well as them and 'nobody' is important enough to need to talk on a mobile phone when driving other than specialist government services; so undertake the risk assessment and logic will say that U stop the practice
U can look at as much guidance as U want but when U end up in court there's only one way it will go if that person was using their communications device whilst at work and driving and it was common practice to encourage such actions
IF U do not buy hands-free kit in the first place U cannot get caught using them in the second place
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Bob
Thanks for the reply and the implication that 'I' will be in court soon.
As I originally said, I have ample reference material, access to books and resources and I am fully conversant with the risk assessment process. I asked if anybody had any good links to case law.
My post for case law was fulfilled by a couple of kind people who directed be to suitable case law.
Chris
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In our company no one is allowed to use a mobile phone when driving a hired or company vehicle and it does not mattter if they have a "hands free" or not.
Les
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Not being 'allowed to' and still doing it is not quite the same. A hands-free kit is safer than using a mobile phone against your ear, not providing a hands-free could be a bit too much of a temptation for some.
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I agree. BUT that is our company's policy. I agree that it is very difficult to enforce esp if one is driving alone!
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Leslie3048 wrote:I agree. BUT that is our company's policy. I agree that it is very difficult to enforce esp if one is driving alone! True, but if you can give folks a few court cases to illustrate what will happen if they get caught it might make them think twice. People seem to be more worried about the consequences of loosing their licence than ploughing into the back of an artic.
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Ray, I am not convinced that using a phone in hands-free mode is any safer than using one hand to hold it against an ear. It may avoid a fine but I strongly suspect that the danger arises from the attention needed to maintain the conversation rather than using one hand to drive. Millions of drivers spend millions of hours driving one-handed for a large variety of other reasons (smoking, scratching, eating, resting an arm, laziness, etc etc) and I have never seen any evidence that this is a significant cause of accidents. A phone conversation needs much more concentration than listening to a passenger and I totally accept that phoning is very dangerous whilst driving.
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Stuff, I agree that it is the conversation which is potentially dangerous. However, dexterity is an issue especially when linked to lack of attention. For me a hands-free is still safer than using one hand on the steering wheel when negotiating roundabouts, corners, etc.
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