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Zanshin67  
#1 Posted : 19 April 2011 12:52:39(UTC)
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Zanshin67

Hi all

should any NEW electrical equipment be portable PAT tested even if straight out of the box?

Cheers

Dave
MB1  
#2 Posted : 19 April 2011 13:02:46(UTC)
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MB1

Why would you want to electrically test a brand new piece of equipment?
Money spinner or fast buck comes to mind!
SP900308  
#3 Posted : 19 April 2011 13:07:54(UTC)
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SP900308

The counter argument (not mine) is 'it could have got damaged during transit!'

SDCL-Pete  
#4 Posted : 19 April 2011 13:11:36(UTC)
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SDCL-Pete

If you Google HSG107 that should give you the HSE's guidance on this subject.
Zanshin67  
#5 Posted : 19 April 2011 13:15:46(UTC)
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Zanshin67

Yes its a good point maybe a money spinner

but knows what the shelf life has been..... Transit as stated etc

Cheers
MB1  
#6 Posted : 19 April 2011 13:22:45(UTC)
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MB1

Visual check, startup test etc
This is not a fixed installation so above would suffice regarding off the shelf and transit

How much would you inspect when you buy something at home, would you be looking to find a friend who is competent in electrical checks?
firesafety101  
#7 Posted : 19 April 2011 15:13:25(UTC)
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firesafety101

MB1 the HASAWetc.Act is about safety at work not in the home.

PAT is not a requirement, just a visual pre use check and if it's not broke don't fix it.
MB1  
#8 Posted : 19 April 2011 15:19:23(UTC)
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MB1

As I put in the 1st 2 lines... I was just implying the significance of someone paying out money for this at such a stage, unless business is booming in that particular area?
walker  
#9 Posted : 19 April 2011 15:34:29(UTC)
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walker

The question you need to ask is how much trust do I put in the manufacturers production line quality assurance.

Puwer says you should check
You need to decide what is a proportional response - which is probuably just a visual.
Depends on the equipment & use

Me? - I don't trust CE marks - just a bit of paper IMHO (I used to be the signatory for a very well know multinational).
walker  
#10 Posted : 19 April 2011 15:38:09(UTC)
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walker

SDCL-Pete wrote:
If you Google HSG107 that should give you the HSE's guidance on this subject.


This is good, but IEE COP is far better
Smith24525  
#11 Posted : 19 April 2011 15:39:17(UTC)
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Smith24525

Wouldn't the manufacturers guarantee see it through the first 12 months (usual period)? then have it added to your list of equipment to be PAT tested
Canopener  
#12 Posted : 19 April 2011 16:17:20(UTC)
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Canopener

Could I suggest that a manufacturers guarantee has little or nothing to do with it?!

I don't think that you can necessarily assume that new kit is 'safe'; just because it's new. I can only pass on a little bit of personal experience with 2 BRAND NEW 4 way extension leads that we had, straight out of the packet, that when checked, were wrongly wired!

I am not suggesting that all kit should be PAT (my feelings on PAT will be well known to many on this forum). But as part of a robust maintenance regime an employer might reasonably want to record and label all new kit, and depending on the circumstances of the employer, they might require an initial inspection and test in accordance with their own (risk based) criteria/policy.
paul.skyrme  
#13 Posted : 20 April 2011 08:07:10(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Just to add fuel to the fire after reading another thread!
;)
IF you do fully test & inspect a new item, you have a baseline value against which to compare any subsequent changes.

As far as it being required, I think that my view on what is generally considered to be PAT is also well known on here!

It is also a good point to record the information on the equipment onto the asset register so that it is not missed and the relevant information is recorded for posterity as it were.
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