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Are IOSH making a statement on redtape challenge?
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I don't think I missed this one on the forum but are IOSH making a statement on our behalf?
Did you know that the government is looking at Health and Safety legislation and regs under the Red Tape challenge?
http://www.redtapechalle...ov.uk/health-and-safety/
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I think IOSH should based on the ignorant responses that seem to be appearing on the web page. Essentially the respondents don't see the point in any H&S and think it should be scrapped!
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I am currently taking a very close look at this 'project' and so far I have found at least one piece of legislation 'The Pensions Regulator Tribunal (Legal Assistance Scheme - Costs) Regulations 2005' which as far as I can see has nothing to do with health and safety. To me this indicates it is a project being undertaken by someone who does not understand what it is about and to make things worse they have now asked for the PUBLIC to make thier views know. To date there have been more comments from non safety professionals than from those who are competent and understand exactly what the legal position really is. By asking for the genral public who to be fair have no idea about the topic except for the elf n safety stuff put out by the media. I hope that IOSH will have some major impact upon how this project goes as the risk of losing some very valuable safety measures could well be on the line. I note much to my concern that the public consultation will respond to a lack of comment by abolishing those bits that people don't mention. A case of they will do away with as much as they can regardless simply because DC has said that they will reduce the burden. I am rathe rworied about how this will turn out to be honest.
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Bob
I agree - it is really quite frightening thinking about the potential outcome of this exercise. I sincerely hope that IOSH, and perhaps even IIRSM, et al., will be making considered responses.
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Dear All
Following your notes I decided to take the Red Tape Challenge - and what a challenge it was!!
By 20.05 this evening, I submited my carefully crafted comments on the Safety Representatives and Safety Committee Regulations 1977. Immediately a 'Page Could Not Be Loaded' sign appeared saying my carefully crafted work 'could not be loaded properly.'
Not to be put off I sent some comments on the Health and Safety (Consultation with Employees) Regulations 1996 which did get through and are now on the General Health and Safety bit.
Boosted by success I submited comments on the PPE Regs 1992 only to be told 'You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down.' at 20.52!!
No wonder this exercise is due to go on till April 2013 - it will take till then to get some comments in.
Cheers.
Nigel
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Dear All
Following your notes I decided to take the Red Tape Challenge - and what a challenge it was!!
By 20.05 this evening, I submited my carefully crafted comments on the Safety Representatives and Safety Committee Regulations 1977. Immediately a 'Page Could Not Be Loaded' sign appeared saying my carefully crafted work 'could not be loaded properly.'
Not to be put off I sent some comments on the Health and Safety (Consultation with Employees) Regulations 1996 which did get through and are now on the General Health and Safety bit.
Boosted by success I submited comments on the PPE Regs 1992 only to be told 'You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down.' at 20.52!!
No wonder this exercise is due to go on till April 2013 - it will take till then to get some comments in.
Cheers.
Nigel
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Nigel, if submit your comments twice it will take forever! ;)
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Sweeping generalisation to suggest that the all the public are numbskulls. I deal with the public occasionally and found some of them quite intelligent. :-)
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garfield I was not commenting on thier general intelligence simply thier knowledge of H&S law and how it is twisted in the press, with that background the comments being made on the website will be from unknowledgable people filled with bias from stupid and incorrect press reports rather than from properly trained knowledgable persons. A case of the lunatics taking over the asilam is the term.
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The main problem with this is not that the general populace are stupid but that most of them have no understanding of Health and Safety law, in the same way that most people don’t understand how such everyday day things as a computer or DNA works; they have other things to worry about in their lives and are not really concerned with these technicalities. This “Red tape” site is an opportunity for everybody with an axe to grind to mouth off about a subject they have never really considered. The main respondents seem to be people running small businesses who cannot see why they shouldn’t be allowed to maim their employees or others who probably can’t run a whelk stall mouthing off at random.
This is the problems with these sorts of surveys and I get worried that anybody takes them seriously.
I am not slagging off all small businesses by the way just the few dozen that respond to these sorts of surveys.
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Ray
Technical hitch - my computer was running hot with righteous indignation at being told off for sending the Red Tape Challenge to much red tape!! It has settled down now.
All
Comments on the Red Tape Challenge site vary but it is a chance to make some positive statements about what concerns professionals. Given the supposed concern of employers, small businesses etc there seems to be very few comments detailing people's experience of specific problems with specific regulations. Early days though.
Cheers.
Nigel
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Front page of today's Guardian. Apparently every single one of 278 environmental laws is on the list of legislation to be considered for the axe - including the Climate Change Act. The "greenest ever" government?
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If as the Government has stated it is a roots and all review then to put all legislation up for consideration is the only way it can be done. If they pick and choose which will be concidered does it not smack of a simple exercise to avoid the blame for killing off some legislation. If you are genuinly loking to be open about it every bit of legislation should be included.
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Going back to the original question - Are IOSH making a statement or are we better making individual contributions?
If we are all replying individually it will show how much we actually care about our profession and stand up to be counted to that effect. I am here to make the difference, by taking the tools away makes it very difficult to be effective
But by making individual contributions we may be disjointed in reply, as we all have our pet legislation we use daily.
Hopefully Members can sign a general statement by all professional bodies.
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Might be early days as it's a public forum to air their views regarding current legislation.
IOSH will no doubt have more routes to air their views to government agencies (e.g. the recent lord young report) where the public was confined to mostly just read!
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It is one thing inviting comments to appear to be in touch with the common person, but entirely another matter to be economical with the truth in that a significant amopunt of health and safety, environmental and employment legislation has originated from Europe.
Short of withdrawing from the EU, the EU Directives/Regulations have to be implemented, irrespective of the input by the members of public/industry/business. Perhaps, the fight should be taken to Europe to "modernise" the directives/regulations and make them less prescriptive!
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Jay, don't let the facts spoil a good story!
Joe public is unaware that most our h&s laws derive from the EU and Mr Cameron cannot deliver his 'Red Tape' mission - short of pulling out of the EU. Still, the Government can reduce funding for the HSE in order to make it less effective, oops they have already done that!
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For me IOSH needs to be fighting this short sighted government tooth and nail.
The government is using all the propaganda it can to take us back to the 'glorious' 60s and 70s when mass deaths and injuries at work was a fair price to pay.
The way that this review has been publicised, promoted and actioned is nothing short of a disgrace and we really need to start standing up against it.
I for one am starting to get a bit fed up of the current line of 'welcoming the review'. I do NOT welcome the review, not the review itself or the sinister reasons for it! It is just another case of blame health and safety opportunism and IOSH, IIRSM et al have to come out fighting.
The review will not acheive anything in law, H&S laws are embedded within the EU directives, case law etc but it is damaging to H7S in this country, cowboy comapnies will start taking risks for a tidy profit because ultimately cameron is backing them...unreal
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I have just had another look at the ‘Red Tape Challenge’ site and the many of the responses are now very encouraging, reasoned balanced. I in particular like the positive ones from the SME sector and the volunteering sector. In addition some people have taken on the more ridiculous statements that have been made.
No whether the government actually listens to any of this is a moot point.
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Just had a look at the comments website of the red challenge. Most of the comments say that we need to keep the current health and safety legislation. But, let's not lose sight of the fact there are only two Acts of Parliament. The HASAWA 1974 and the Health and Safety (Offences) Act 2008 (Which is fact amends the 1974 Act on the penalties available). There are 79 Health and Safety Regulations listed. Some are very specific in thier application such as The Marking of Plastic exp.osives for Detection Regulations 1996, can anyone tell me the last time they had any work with these regs? There are some, yes, but very far and few between I would think so they are very specific, valuable but not often used. May I suggest that we all do one thing before we rush into making rather silly comments, take a careful look at the legislation, divide it into the relevance ( not importance) to what we experience in our daily work roles and then think carefuuly about what they are meant to protect individual employees from. Then make silly comments on the Red Tape website.
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