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Nick A  
#1 Posted : 20 April 2011 22:00:01(UTC)
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Nick A

All, do you use PAS 79 2007 as the basis / methodolgy for your fire risk assessments? What do you see as the positives? Have you specifically chosen not to use it? Why? Thanks Nick
Ron Hunter  
#2 Posted : 20 April 2011 23:25:16(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I suggest the £100 price of the publication will be off-putting to most!
bob youel  
#3 Posted : 21 April 2011 07:25:32(UTC)
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bob youel

I find that 'Fire' risk assessment is as easy [*easy in a relative term] as any other RA so why are we procuring/publishing such expensive documents - In my view Fire RA is being taken into the 'harder than it really is' zone and much simpiler guides at little cost can be supplied Human behaviour/illness/disease [especially in the public interface areas] RA's are the hardest to undertake in my view
David Bannister  
#4 Posted : 21 April 2011 09:40:30(UTC)
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David Bannister

Until about a year ago I was using my own format. This had been seen by quite a few enforcement officers and I had received no adverse comments. It also served me well when I did some formal training & education. I looked at an assessment record done according to PAS79 and discovered that whilst it was set out slightly differently, the info I included in mine was essentially the same as PAS79. After having a think about it I decided to make the change because I was already collecting and analysing the information suggested in the Standard, reaching a conclusion and suggesting changes in fire risk management to my clients. It made sense to me to adopt a published standard methodology of recording my fire risk assessmemts. The cost of £100 is high but compared to the cost of filling up my car seemed a spend that was worthwhile to me. The Standard itself is a very worthwhile read. It is however rather wordy and cumbersome for very simple situations and I still retain my original format for these, which is easier to use when there is little risk.
SBH  
#5 Posted : 21 April 2011 09:43:24(UTC)
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SBH

I have seen this document which for some reason is highly protected and yes, costs £100 - grossly overpriced for a checklist in my opinion, which asks for comments.I have found it to be lacking in description.the idea of a fire risk assessment is to identify hazards and inform -people PAS 79 IMHO does not achieve this SBH
Ron Hunter  
#6 Posted : 21 April 2011 10:29:52(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I guess I do find it irksome that something can be called a "Publically Available Standard" when it costs £100. Wouldn't it be nice if (like HSE with ACoPs and Guidance) BSI made all PAS (not just some) available free as pdf.
son of skywalker  
#7 Posted : 21 April 2011 10:50:24(UTC)
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son of skywalker

There is also sector specific guidance that can be downloaded. An example in Scotland is "Practical Fire Safety Guidance for Educational and Day Care for Children Premises". These tend to be more informative than PAS79 but still include much if not all of the relevant questions. SOS
son of skywalker  
#8 Posted : 21 April 2011 10:52:22(UTC)
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son of skywalker

I meant to include the website as follows: www.firelawscotland.org/
bleve  
#9 Posted : 21 April 2011 18:54:12(UTC)
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bleve

Over priced and over rated. IMO it does not tick the boxes pardon the pun
Garfield Esq  
#10 Posted : 22 April 2011 07:42:42(UTC)
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Garfield Esq

bleve wrote:
Over priced and over rated. IMO it does not tick the boxes pardon the pun
I use PAS79 and find it a good format. Reason we use it us because it is used by the fire service and formed a significant part of our training and it does the job! Agree that the cost may be an issue for some. For those with no budget for FRA try this site! Free and good guidance. http://www.healthyworkin....com/documents/2579.aspx GC
messyshaw  
#11 Posted : 23 April 2011 11:33:40(UTC)
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messyshaw

I notice the example FRAs supplied by Garfield esq is another which have a section for 'sources of oxygen'. It strikes me as a curious section to include in a FRA template as surely the vast majority of premises will have nothing more than ambient atmosphere. Where as premises has cylinders or peroxides etc, then obviously that fact should be assessed & recorded, but a dedicated section. It's clear that many struggle when completing such a section and enter 'openable windows throughout', or 'large roller shutter door in workshop". Not exactly what you would define as a 'significant' finding is it?
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