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Hello,
I am looking for anyone who has had experience in policy development in this area with contracted catering companies or who indeed is from a catering company themselves and manages the LPG safety..... i.e. someone who has managed to wade through the vague and limited information and actually managed to develop a testing and management regime which works.
I seem to be going around in circles with a contractor who is trying to cost save and keeps coming back with what I think is too little in terms of management and maintenance. I have been pointed towards the Use of LPG Cylinders: The Use of LPG for Catering and Outdoor Functions (March 1999) guidance - is this any good?
Is there anything else which will help?
Currently I require the annual testing and as they are mobile and moved in before each event, another test carried out on the day by a Gassafe engineer amounting to about £100 per unit, and 20 events a year. They are complaining that this is too over the top and I cant seem to work out if they are right or just trying to get out of it?
Help....?
Help will be remembered and favour returned!
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i dont have direct experience in this field but im interested in the logic behind a gassafe accredited check at "installation", im assuming;
a) these are cylinders similar, but larger to those you would use on a gas bbq at home
b) they are connected to large cookers/hobs for outdoor catering functions
Surely some proof from the contractor that the staff are competent to correctly fit the regulator to the gas bottle, and that they perform safety checks (checklist or otherwise) at the start of each event would be suitable and sufficient?
In my current role i have various sub contractors using butane in various operations and i would be hard pressed to mandate the level of assurance you are pushing for, it would be nice to have but seems a bit OTT
I, personally, would look at developing a policy that focuses on annual check as presently done, and then really drill down on maintenance and safe installation by the contractor, otherwise it seems like one of those topics that can easily snow ball.....
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Hi Steve,
Thanks for your honesty....the problem is when you have 20-30 units on site using Propane and Butane, and over 80,000 people to evacuate if one of these things goes up, (let alone the surrounding residential area) I am hankering on the side of caution.....anyone from a venue/site which has similar amounts of units/spectators on site?
C
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moowoman - are there not two issues here? One - the appliances themselves which would require the annual GasSafe service & check and Two - the LPG bottles (energy source) which I tend to go along with steve0. A little training on attaching and replacing cylinders & regulators would surely suffice. There is a HELA LAC Circular on LPG and Mobile Catering but I have tried to find it on the HSE website again but it does not still appear to be available. You might like to try for yourself. HELA LAC 52/13 is the reference.
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Hello bilbo, would the attachment of the bottle identify and faults in the gas system caused by the movement of the vehicle to the site?
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Moowoman, what is the risk here then? that the appliance will become dangerously loosened in transit to the event? Part of the SSoW should specifiy proper transport considerations, adequate packing and restraining of equipment etc, as before, adequate training on installation and initial safety checks would provide a high level of assurance, i suspect the worry centres on the competence/compliance of the sub contractor - thats a contractor management issue that can be resolved with spot check/inspections, a rolling programme of inspection by gas safe accredited staff "in situ" of perhaps 1-4% of equipment p.a. would give you a reasonable sample if you are still concerned, but at any rate loosened internals on a distribution manifold or a slight crack in pipework would not necessarily be spotted by a gas safe engineer.
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The reference given is correct.
You need to visit the UK LPG website and get hold of copies of their relevant Codes of Practice;
Code of Practice 24: Part 3 - Use of LPG Cylinders: The Use of LPG in Mobile Catering Vehicles and Similar Commercial Vehicles (May 2000)
This Code describes safe practice for the location of LPG cylinders, the pipework and catering appliances.
Code of Practice 24: Part 4 - Use of LPG Cylinders: The Use of LPG for Catering and Outdoor Functions (March 1999)
This Code of Practice is particularly directed at those who have responsibility for safety at events such as pop concerts, outdoor festivals, fetes etc. where many people may be present.
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