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grim72  
#1 Posted : 27 April 2011 10:56:49(UTC)
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grim72

Interested to hear people's thoughts on this article. Makes a change to read a newspaper report which backs H&S and attacks Littlejohn etc.

http://www.independent.c...is-will-die-2275035.html
MrsBlue  
#2 Posted : 27 April 2011 11:40:51(UTC)
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Totally and utterly emotive and provocative - just written as another hit at Government cuts.

Take one issue - construction has been hit with blitz visits (unannounced inspections) over the last few years, but this has not stopped accidents etc.

One construction site I worked on 2 years ago was visited by the the local HSE inspector because she loved cranes - no other reason.

So to sum up the newspaper article is pure sensationalism (IMO).

Rich
mike52  
#3 Posted : 27 April 2011 11:45:16(UTC)
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mike52

I thought it was a good article and certainly can only help dispel some of the myths on Health & Safety. However I am sure that there will be plenty of other papers who prefer to find more ways to undermine H&S efforts rather than support it. After all their versions sell more papers.

But at least one paper has taken a supportive stance, so there may be hope yet.

Mike
A Kurdziel  
#4 Posted : 27 April 2011 11:51:44(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Not much wrong with it but that is always the case, people want H&S but only common sense H&S.
Unfortunately nobody has come up with a guaranteed formula for common sense yet so we have to live with what we have got.
neilrimmer  
#5 Posted : 27 April 2011 11:55:23(UTC)
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neilrimmer

Its about time a newspaper finally came out in support of the H&S world. Its a fact that camerons down talking deregulation will create a race to the bottom and more people will die as a result.

Lets just hope he read it as opposed to making cakes for his risk assessment free street party

RayRapp  
#6 Posted : 28 April 2011 12:15:07(UTC)
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RayRapp

I thought it was an excellent, well written and researched article. Exactly the type of media attention this industry needs. I don't know why RoSPA, IOSH, IIRSM, HSE and other respected institutions fail to do what a newspaper journalist has done - stand up and be counted against all these myths, cuts and general h&s bashing.
Ken Slack  
#7 Posted : 28 April 2011 14:11:37(UTC)
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Ken Slack

rich777 wrote:
Totally and utterly emotive and provocative - just written as another hit at Government cuts.


Ken Slack  
#8 Posted : 28 April 2011 14:14:06(UTC)
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Ken Slack

Oooops, wrong button,

Emotive - absolutely, provacative - rightly so, just a quick search reveals that at least 8 people have died from work-related incidents this month in the UK.

As for inspections not stopping accidents, well nothing ever will, but maybe they DO reduce the amount of people we kill or maim at work.
PIKEMAN  
#9 Posted : 28 April 2011 15:00:12(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

Interesting article, but it in my view ignores a massive elephant in the room - namely that people who are injured or suffer ill health due to work can sue - which many do. In my experience this (and the prompting of Insurance Companies, who pay the claims) is a bigger driver of safety than HSE in many cases.
RayRapp  
#10 Posted : 28 April 2011 16:34:19(UTC)
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RayRapp

Of course people who are injured can claim through the organisations' ELI, assuming they have it, but that is not the purpose of health and safety. It is to prevent injuries and deaths in the first instance. A pay out is not much help to the deceased or their loved ones, although hopefully it will lessen the burden for their dependants.

I don't believe insurance premiums are a driver for the reduction of accidents and incidents in the workplace. Many employers regard ELI and PLI as just a necessity, which will also pay for any subsequent claims. Much as people take out car insurance - no evidence that this actually makes them more careful drivers.
Bob Shillabeer  
#11 Posted : 28 April 2011 16:36:13(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Pikeman insurance companies are not the great ogres they are often painted as but they do have a serious financial side to everything they do. They will advise against doing anything simply because they really dislike paying out and will do anything to reduce the risk of that. They do not promote realistic health and safety. It is from unsurance companies that most stupid stories come from. Sensible health and safety management by a business or individual is the best way to avaoid serious injuryies from occurring. I have read the article in question and found it to be very interesting that it is pointed mainly at the gent who lives most of his life in America and only has investments in this country. The main point of the article is the risk we face from wholesale removal of H&S regulations which is much easier than repealing an act of Parliament as it has less scrutiny. The article itself is quite correct when it says that protection is being removed simply to pass the inevitable cost from those who create the risk to the state and who pays that, we tax payers do.
Rhodes22022  
#12 Posted : 30 April 2011 22:29:24(UTC)
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Rhodes22022

Cameron,like Blair before him, is a baffoon. He is bowing to the likes of theCBI who want less red tape. In other words they want things done on the cheap which is what it is all about. Never mind efficiency it is always about money. Dont get me wrong as I am all infavour of sensible safety. But I think Cameron has gone too far. Unfortunately it will be the poor unprotected worker who will bear the brunt.

Allan
johnmurray  
#13 Posted : 01 May 2011 01:50:50(UTC)
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johnmurray

I remain, yours truly, and unimpressed.
The MOST costly item on the Business Costs list is the WORKING TIME DIRECTIVE, which comes-in at 17.8 billion pounds over ten years.
Most costly by miles as well.
AND totally unalterable by this, or any other, UK government. In fact, we may well be opted-out of the opt-out before long.
Many of the H&S reforms will be unreformable because they are tied-in to EU legislation.
I do do like to point-out that the EU laws take precedence over UK laws, and lawmakers.
Further, most little-englanders do not seem to grasp the reality that NO UK politician is interested in departing the EU.
Hot air from Westminster.
Nothing new, Nothing to See, Move-on.
Dedicoat36507  
#14 Posted : 01 May 2011 14:41:17(UTC)
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Dedicoat36507

Hi - I had read about this event in SHP - good that someone is understanding the fact that H&S do a valuable job by keeping spouses sons daughters mothers fathers and soon grandparents safe at work!. There is still a poor perception of what safety means - usually through the chanels of cheap reporting. Years ago the HSE Inspectors had power - but they helped businesses too - the HSE was castrated, and appears to be heading for beheading. I do consider that we may end up with an American based system where we count the bodies up at the end of the year, and travel back in time - being reactive rather than proactive - I'm saddened.
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