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saifakbar  
#1 Posted : 01 May 2011 11:36:17(UTC)
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saifakbar

Dear ALL, Please share with me. What is the difference between Near miss and Incident? Regards Saif
Dedicoat36507  
#2 Posted : 01 May 2011 14:22:28(UTC)
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Dedicoat36507

Hello Saif Near Miss - is an incident which could have happened except for a narrow margin, and din't result in dammage to persons or property. An incident is where there is a "direct hit" and results in dammage to persons/property. The incident can be at varying degrees of dammage/injury.
firesafety101  
#3 Posted : 01 May 2011 15:09:11(UTC)
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firesafety101

Don't forget the Accident that can be an event that does not necessarily result in harm to anyone. (Can't think of the exact definition at present but I'm sure someone will)?
ahoskins  
#4 Posted : 01 May 2011 18:00:53(UTC)
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ahoskins

A near miss is an incident which had a far more serious potential outcome. An example is an item (brick?) dropped from a scaffold which just misses a passer by, but in slightly different circumstances could have resulted in a fatality.
boblewis  
#5 Posted : 01 May 2011 19:18:00(UTC)
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boblewis

The potential for multiple definitions and hairsplitting abound here. Ahoskins aptly describes a near hit but others call it a Near Miss. At the end of the day some incident occurs regardless of any consequence we just choose to define some as Near Misses and as long as everybody in your organisation works to the same definition there is no problem. So question Is a fire door left open a near miss? or Is an untrained person undertaking a task for which training is specified a near miss? or Is the lack of a task specific risk assessment a near miss? Bob
saifakbar  
#6 Posted : 02 May 2011 13:19:48(UTC)
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saifakbar

Near miss is event which had potential to cause harm or injury,in other hand incident definition is same.if there is no difference between this two then why we are using two definition for one? we should use Near miss or incident.if you have result of an event obviously this will be consider as an accident.i think we should use only on terminology.its near miss or incident. what you think Guys?
Dedicoat36507  
#7 Posted : 02 May 2011 14:10:14(UTC)
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Dedicoat36507

Hi Saif - the point is - near miss has or had the potential to cause injury or death Incident does cause injury or death.
teh_boy  
#8 Posted : 02 May 2011 14:14:46(UTC)
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teh_boy

From http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/hsg245.pdf (page 5)
HSE wrote:
Adverse event’ includes: - accident: an event that results in injury or ill health; - incident: >near miss: an event that, while not causing harm, has the potential to cause injury or ill health. (In this guidance, the term near miss will be taken to include dangerous occurrences >undesired circumstance: a set of conditions or circumstances that have the potential to cause injury or ill health, eg untrained nurses handling heavy patients.
teh_boy  
#9 Posted : 02 May 2011 14:20:42(UTC)
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teh_boy

Gotta love it. That's not what we use as accident implies no one was to blame! The important thing is to ensure standardisation within your organisation and then with any external requirements. So we use RIDDOR as a benchmark, near miss and incident are only for our stats. If you want more detail I think OSHA have a much more rigorous set of definitions. So might OHSAS 18001 Oh and this has been discussed before - worth a search if you want to read more.
Leslie3048  
#10 Posted : 03 May 2011 11:36:56(UTC)
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Leslie3048

Oh for goodness sake!!! An Accident An unwanted event that results in injury to personnel and / or damage to property / equipment A Near Miss or if you like a Near Hit An unwanted event that does not result in injury to personnel or damage to property / equipment but which had the potential to do so. Think we all agree on that surely? Les
kdrum  
#11 Posted : 03 May 2011 11:49:09(UTC)
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kdrum

Original poster didn't ask difference between 'accident' and 'near miss' Leslie. Would agree with dedicoat with difference between near miss and incident but many view as same. perhaps I can use a real event recently at my place of work to illustrate. Student in ATV with lecturer, students foot slips and ATV veers into parked minibus damaging front bumper. No injury to student or lecturer - not accident It did result in damage to bus so in my book not a near miss - an incident Had they just lost control and no injury or damage - near miss Maybe to simple a definition but works for me - slips behind wall awaiting barrage!
Safety Smurf  
#12 Posted : 03 May 2011 11:55:54(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

kdrum wrote:
Original poster didn't ask difference between 'accident' and 'near miss' Leslie. Would agree with dedicoat with difference between near miss and incident but many view as same. perhaps I can use a real event recently at my place of work to illustrate. Student in ATV with lecturer, students foot slips and ATV veers into parked minibus damaging front bumper. No injury to student or lecturer - not accident It did result in damage to bus so in my book not a near miss - an incident Had they just lost control and no injury or damage - near miss Shift over and make room for me, I'm with you on this one kdrum. Maybe to simple a definition but works for me - slips behind wall awaiting barrage!
Guru  
#13 Posted : 03 May 2011 12:19:35(UTC)
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Guru

A similar thread talking about definitions of accident / incidents. http://forum.iosh.co.uk/...aspx?g=posts&t=99697
Ken Slack  
#14 Posted : 03 May 2011 14:31:55(UTC)
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Ken Slack

I tend to not use the word 'Incident' as it is too vague and grey, just use Accident or Near Miss. In my book an incident is an event, which may have been an accident or a near miss......
kimberleya1  
#15 Posted : 03 May 2011 16:31:26(UTC)
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kimberleya1

I agree with last post (Ken)... An incident is an event. If the incident had negative consequences (i.e. injury, fatality) then it is an accident. If there were no consequences but there could have been, then it is a near-miss. However in my industry, plenty of people do not use 'accident', they would use 'incident' to mean an event with negative consequences, and a near miss for an event without negative consequences.
GarethS  
#16 Posted : 03 May 2011 16:43:55(UTC)
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GarethS

The definition I was taught (and use in company induction) for accidents is: "Any unplanned or uncontrolled event leading to actual injury, damage or loss" I then follow this up by explaining near misses must also be reported where a near miss (I'm hoping Hoskin's near hit is similar) is any situation which MAY have caused the above but was prevented by actions of the observer. Easiest example I think of is from a Client's induction video where a ladder is shown being used propped directly in front of a door being used as a main access/egress to a building. Near miss is reported as the ladder position, action resulting is the ladder is moved to one side (possibly a bad example because there was clearly room off to one side when the original actor "abandoned" his ladder.
GarethS  
#17 Posted : 03 May 2011 16:46:50(UTC)
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GarethS

Grrr where's the edit button. Also bear in mind that the HSE also calls dangerous occurences (where no-one is injured but damage or loss may occur) "near misses" to confuse the situation. I would consider their list of dangerous occurences as incidents or accidents rather than a near miss. http://www.hse.gov.uk/ri...r/guidance.htm#dangerous
Guru  
#18 Posted : 04 May 2011 08:19:10(UTC)
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Guru

HSG245 Investigating Accident & Incidents uses these definitions> Accident: - an event that results in injury or ill health incident: – near miss: an event that, while not causing harm, has the potential to cause injury or ill health. (In this guidance, the term near miss will be taken to include dangerous occurrences); – undesired circumstance: a set of conditions or circumstances that have the potential to cause injury or ill health, eg untrained nurses handling heavy patients. -Dangerous occurrence: one of a number of specific, reportable adverse events, as defined in the Reporting of Injuries, Diseases and Dangerous Occurrences Regulations 1995 (RIDDOR).
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