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fiesta  
#1 Posted : 03 May 2011 16:33:44(UTC)
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fiesta

We are an office fit out company that is occasionally required to install mezzanine floors. We always sub-contract this work out. However we have recently parted company with our usual mezzanine partner for continually working without adequate protection from falls from height. We are now looking for a new partner but are finding that a good number of installers do not install any edge protection at the leading edge during the boarding out once the mezzanine frame is in place. They often install edge protection around the perimeter of the mez but not at the leading edge and seem to be saying that this is acceptable, which I find hard to believe. Does anyone have knowledge of this sphere of work who could advice me what industry best practice might be ? I'm not comfortable allowing this work on my site without some form of protection Any help gratefully received Andy
Dave Beddis  
#2 Posted : 04 May 2011 08:40:13(UTC)
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Dave Beddis

Andy, I work for a steel fabrication firm and have been involved with a few mezzanine floors in the past but only fitting the steelwork. When the floor is boarded out why can't the operatives work off a adjustable work restraint system. We are currently working on a job in London were we have to work close to a pump chamber which has a depth of about 6 metres. we have used an adjustable restraint to allow us to work at the edge but avoiding the risk of falling in. If there's a chance they could fall off the leading edge then i would say it's not acceptable. What were the control measures to stop them falling and how did they get round it in there method statement and risk assessment? Have a read of the HSE guidelines for working at height as this will tell you more. Hope this helps! Dave, Check out our website we may be able to help you! www.remnant.co.uk
xRockape  
#3 Posted : 04 May 2011 08:47:19(UTC)
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xRockape

I would stick to your guns on this one, if the lack of edge protection results in a serious accident and subsequent enforcement action, then I can see trouble for both the subcontractor and you the PC for failure to protect employees etc. Enforcement action would also be likely if one of your jobs received an unannounced visit by the enforcement officers regardless of injury occurring.
alan w houghton  
#4 Posted : 04 May 2011 09:04:12(UTC)
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alan w houghton

WAH regs clearly state all work at height must be properlly planned and organised Ensure all work is properly planned, supervised, and carried out in as safe a means as possible All the above will be covered in method statement and risk assessments You should approve RAMS prior to work commencing having recieved these from your sub-contractor - if you do not agree with thier working methods or risk assessments you should not approve his statements and ask for other considerations / working methods so you are happy with there working procedures, don't forget to vet your sub-contractor first. Cheers Alan
MJD  
#5 Posted : 04 May 2011 09:57:08(UTC)
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MJD

Hi Andy Mezzanine construction is not dissimilar to roof construction in my view. Drawing on 'Safety in Roofwork' guidance I would first consider the gap between the floor support members (the guidance states 400mm is ok for roof tiling but I would say 300mm in this situation). Any gap greater than this and you must have some form of fall protection. The favored method in roof situations is nets and would say this would also be ideal for mezzanines but you need to make sure there is sufficient distance between the mezzanine and the floor underneath to accommodate the net stretch if someone falls. Perimeter protection is a must and can be achieved with scaffold tubing attached to the steelwork with purpose girder clips. Hope this helps. Martin
firesafety101  
#6 Posted : 04 May 2011 09:58:07(UTC)
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firesafety101

I have some experience here, but not a lot! Why do they work on the mezz - is it possible for them to work from below? Is it possible for the installer to work from the cage of a MEWP? There are some very small MEWPs on the go right now so this could be the answer?
Ron Hunter  
#7 Posted : 04 May 2011 13:20:30(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Agree with MJD - nets, or perhaps preferably, airbags. Restraint probably impractical due to the constant movement of the leading edge and the mezzanine typically too low for fall-arrest.
Ron Hunter  
#8 Posted : 04 May 2011 13:24:19(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Incidentally, HSE Inspectors can be pretty strict on the "gap" issue. They do tend to focus on gaps between scaffold and existing structure, which can be less than 300mm and will ask for hop-up boards to close that gap if the area is only a working platform. Fair play when you consider the serious injury that can be sustained with one foot slipping through that gap. This all goes out the window for render/roughcast work though!
fiesta  
#9 Posted : 04 May 2011 16:04:03(UTC)
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fiesta

Thank you all for your responses. I was not unaware of the W at H Regs and what SHOULD be expected but it just seems that whoever we ask to do this work is not prepared to put the required precautions in place. The last time we had issues was when the steel fabricator sub-contracted out the installation work on a fixed price basis without telling us - meaning speed was of the essence for the installers and no precautions were put in place When I contacted the fabricator he suggested that...." if I had wanted safety I should have mentioned it earlier as it was not included in his quote...." Hmmmm ! The search for a decent contractor continues. Thanks again
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