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RayRapp  
#1 Posted : 05 May 2011 10:02:04(UTC)
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RayRapp

I have just received a letter from a well known personal injury specialist regarding an accident. I have been asked to review and comment on the claim. The letter lists copies of documents which are requested, including - 'post-accident re-assessment required by regulation 3 of the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999.'

I am not aware of any legal requirement, MHSWR or other, to complete a re-assessment following an accident or incident? I accept that it may be good practice to review any RA following an accident, but this would depend on the circumstances and cause. I believe this is a Bloomer by the solicitor but would be interested in your comments.

Ray
Jane Blunt  
#2 Posted : 05 May 2011 10:23:10(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

The regulations state that the assessment shall be reviewed if there is reason to suspect that it is no longer valid, and the ACOP states that accidents etc should be a trigger for reviewing the original assessment.
jay  
#3 Posted : 05 May 2011 10:43:59(UTC)
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jay

All accident claim letters have to follow a standard format as a part of the Pre-Action Protocol for Personal Injury Claims under the Civil Procedure Rules and Practice Directions

Refer to:-

http://www.justice.gov.u...ls/prot_pic.htm#IDAIYG5B


http://www.justice.gov.u...s/protocols/prot_pic.htm


http://www.justice.gov.u...civil/menus/protocol.htm


RayRapp  
#4 Posted : 05 May 2011 10:49:23(UTC)
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RayRapp

Thanks Jane, the Devil, as often the case is in the detail. I suggest that Regulation 3 does not require a 're-assessment' unless of course 'there is a reason to suspect it is no longer valid', which may not be the case.

So, assuming there was a RA in the first instance, it was reviewed and no change was required - what documentary evidence would there be to submit?

Jane Blunt  
#5 Posted : 05 May 2011 10:59:00(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

The evidence for review could be in two places.

It could be a written amendment to the risk assessment itself, recording the occurrence and the decision in the light of that occurrence.

It could be recorded within the report of the incident itself.

I guess there is also a third place - the minutes of the Safety Committee meeting where the incident was reviewed.
bob youel  
#6 Posted : 05 May 2011 11:07:23(UTC)
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bob youel

Q?: So, assuming there was a RA in the first instance, it was reviewed and no change was required - what documentary evidence would there be to submit?


Ans: The old RA along with the same doc but with a review statement and review date added would be submitted e.g. Two docs which are in fact the same doc but with different dates etc included - I do this regularly as part of the review program in any case so a history is present

NB: If changes are needed add the changes because if U do not it will be picked up; if no changes are/were needed make it clear in the reviewed RA doc that no changes were required from the old doc to the new doc

smitch  
#7 Posted : 05 May 2011 11:12:56(UTC)
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smitch

Ray

If I put my cynical head on then would it not be fair to state that if a person replying to such a request for information duly submitted a pre and post accident RA; and the post accident RA showed additional control measures, then would/could the personal injury specialist not attempt to use this information as a means indicating that the original RA was neither suitable and/or sufficient???

Steve
RayRapp  
#8 Posted : 05 May 2011 11:16:07(UTC)
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RayRapp

Thanks Bob et al, should have known better than to ask what evidence of an RA review...been a while since I have done one. Needless to say there is not a RA anyway due to the unforeseeable circumstances of the accident which took place on a golf course. The solicitor is trying it on in my opinion and despite the lack of a RA I don't think they have a leg to stand on - thank God for volenti non fit injuria!
RayRapp  
#9 Posted : 05 May 2011 11:21:56(UTC)
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RayRapp

Steve

Yes, I suspect your assumption is correct. Sometimes it is better not to have any documentary evidence with which these ambulance chasers can pick to bits. I think it is a case of damned if you do...
Terry556  
#10 Posted : 05 May 2011 11:29:07(UTC)
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Terry556

If the RA was reviewed and no further action is required, then under the regs you have done your job, what I would do is call the employee in for an interview, get all the facts, accident book entry, investigations that was carried out and the first aiders report. I would also contact your insurers who would help you put over your case, to argue, plus your insurers would be able to get all the doctors reports if any, I fight every case that the no win no fee solicitors claim against my company and out of 20 cases over the last 7 years I have only lost 1 and we paid out £250.00. We a large company, but the last 3 years we have not had many accidents.
A Kurdziel  
#11 Posted : 05 May 2011 14:55:40(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

This is one of the unfortunate consequences of Reg 3 of the management regs. It has taken risk assessment away from the H&S professionals, who developed it as a tool to manage H&S better and has given it to the lawyers who can use it as a stick to beat claims out of defendants. If Lord Young had wanted to do something useful he could have looked at this issue but it was obviously too subtle for him.
Essentially the lawyers are trying to frighten you into give into the claim. They always do this. The risk assessment is not really relevant in 99% of cases. For a claim to rely on the risk assessment they would have to establish that
1) the assessment was not’ suitable and sufficient’
2) and that this is what caused the injury which is being claimed for.
You cannot be sued just for not having a risk assessment.
RayRapp  
#12 Posted : 05 May 2011 15:11:57(UTC)
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RayRapp

Indeed Mr Kurdziel, my thoughts exactly. It is the first time I have ever dealt with a personal injury lawyer and the level of legal prescription would be frightening for most lay men. The claim and subsequent allegations read like a criminal offence. It really is scandalous that these people can hide behind the law with spurious claims which are not based on reality. Little wonder health and safety is in such a predicament when these parasites are at large.

The Lord Young review was trophy hunting and as such, it was only looking for easy wins - forget about the substance, let's have some action!
David Bannister  
#13 Posted : 05 May 2011 15:46:41(UTC)
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David Bannister

Ray, take a look at this month's SHP which has an interesting article on this topic.
Steve Sedgwick  
#14 Posted : 05 May 2011 18:41:40(UTC)
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Steve Sedgwick

Ray
you should always send or discuss such correspondence with / to your insurer before taking any action on the letter
Steve
RayRapp  
#15 Posted : 05 May 2011 20:13:32(UTC)
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RayRapp

Thanks Steve, that has been done. However, the client has asked me to review matters from an independent h&s perspective.

Stuff4blokes, I presume you mean the Michael Appleby article? Read it but it was essentially looking at the roles of the regulator and law enforcement with regards to the provision of documents etc. I would be much more interested to learn what a third party such as a solicitor for a personal injury claim is entitled or should be provided in terms of documentation?
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