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Dave C  
#1 Posted : 13 May 2011 21:28:22(UTC)
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Dave C

You think you see it all on this forum but here (I think) could be a new one! We are likely to have a trial period to give employees the option of bringing their dogs to work - an office building (40 or so workers) within a rural setting (community doggy walking at lunch break!). This could be contentious issue at our place and I'm feeling the vibes already! Has anyone had experience of this, how they handled it and would be willing to share their experiences and control measures they put in place and how effective they were? Many thanks.
bob youel  
#2 Posted : 14 May 2011 08:58:26(UTC)
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bob youel

Can be a great idea and can work very well but all staff have to be invited to comment privately as some people have genuine problems / issues with dogs and some dogs are not suitable because of their individual temperament etc as they may be OK with their master but not with others and U will need to cater for fouling as it does happen

Such a thing should go well in most work situations
Ken Slack  
#3 Posted : 16 May 2011 10:36:27(UTC)
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Ken Slack

Hi Dave,

I have worked in dog-friendly offices before (I took my dog to work for 4 years). The way we approached it was a registration form which included details of the dog, insurance etc, there was also a section where colleagues and line manager signed to agree. All dogs who were involved in the scheme had to be data-tagged and a reader was held on site.

We also had a generic risk assessment, terms and conditions etc.

There are some issues in hygiene, but include cleanliness and hygiene in the T&C's.
Bruce Sutherland  
#4 Posted : 16 May 2011 11:39:11(UTC)
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Bruce Sutherland

Having had up to 4 dogs in an open plan office it can get a bit chaotic...... you need to watch tripping hazards and we had one collie who was not always keen on deliveries... 2 or 3 no problems at all - mine has done a lot of training courses and should know where to find most forms of asbestos in buildings by now.

We put tripping hazards in h and s policy and rule was they had to be jabbed and frontlined

The dogs settle down quite quickly and tend to sleep most of the day interspersed with active periods - it is probably best to form a routine with walks etc and then they seem to be quite ok waiting. Guess it certainly beats sitting at home on your own,

You probably need to set some rules about feeding them titbits or they will get fat!..... biggest objection from non dog owners ( but I was the boss so not aired too loudly ) was about the habbit of rumaging through waste bins in office to find discarded food wrappers etc .... but as eating was not allowed in the office then it was a stalemate and nothing was said either way.
Regards

Bruce
m  
#5 Posted : 16 May 2011 12:39:01(UTC)
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m

You need to check that no-one has an allergy to dogs or a genuine phobia. And, since this originated on Friday, is it restricted to dogs or can any pets come in?
martin1  
#6 Posted : 16 May 2011 13:41:47(UTC)
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martin1

Hate dogs and have allergy towards them.

We have just got rid of the smokers and now we have to allow the hairy devils in instead?

Lousy idea.
Ken Slack  
#7 Posted : 16 May 2011 13:45:44(UTC)
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Ken Slack

Martin1 wrote:
Hate dogs and have allergy towards them.

We have just got rid of the smokers and now we have to allow the hairy devils in instead?

Lousy idea.


LOL,

In Your Humble Opinion It Is!!

Take you don't work for any vets then ;)
Andrew W Walker  
#8 Posted : 16 May 2011 13:54:45(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

I had a doberman/ great dane cross.

They wouldn't let me take him to work. :-(
sean  
#9 Posted : 16 May 2011 14:04:48(UTC)
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Dare I say it......... There's quite a few dogs working in my workplace who haven't, but should be Risk Assessed!!
lwthesm  
#10 Posted : 16 May 2011 14:13:14(UTC)
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lwthesm

We have run across this from time to time.
Same rules as everything else:
Risk assess
put control measures in place eg; food, walking, poo bags,
discipline, vaccination certificates,
Monitor

last but by no means least; does ANYONE object (whether on grounds of breed, temperament, allergies or sheer grumpiness), if they do then it's a non starter, will just foster resentment.

Good luck!

Andrew W Walker  
#11 Posted : 16 May 2011 14:17:03(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

sean wrote:
Dare I say it......... There's quite a few dogs working in my workplace who haven't, but should be Risk Assessed!!



That was a "light blue touch paper and stand well back" type of comment!
Bluenose  
#12 Posted : 16 May 2011 14:57:28(UTC)
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Bluenose

We had an incident where a dog was shut in an office and the cleaner opened the door, went in and was bitten as the dog did not recognise her. At my place of work dogs have to be registered and the owner has to confirm that they have insurance in case of injury/damage caused by the dog. There is always the problem of dog hairs everywhere and allergy problems, the temprement of the the dog and perhaps the biggest problem - trip hazards. Also it can be a bit embarrassing when they try and hump each other in the office (the dogs not the staff).
martin1  
#13 Posted : 16 May 2011 15:49:07(UTC)
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martin1

I'm not sure what this says about me Bluenose but the sight of two dogs humping in my bosses office would make my afternoon!
achrn  
#14 Posted : 16 May 2011 16:32:26(UTC)
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achrn

I can spend about two hours in the presence of (ie, in the same room) most dogs before my eyes swell up and I have trouble breathing. The reaction is quicker against cats. There are a very few individual animals I don't react to (at least, not in a timescale measured in hours) but I've never worked out what distinguishes them. Conversely, I react very quickly indeed (minutes) to Siamese cats.

How are you going to deal with allergies?
Dave C  
#15 Posted : 16 May 2011 16:33:09(UTC)
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Dave C

Many thanks for all the replies and the humorous asides. As I said it is a sensitive issue at our place and whatever happens will I suspect will be deeply divisive but it can be trialled. Personally I wouldn't bring my dog to work but that's because being a labrador it would have its nose in anything resembling a food source (trough, fridge, bucket etc) at any given opportunity!! Time to do a risk assessment I think - thanks again.
MaxPayne  
#16 Posted : 17 May 2011 13:44:50(UTC)
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MaxPayne

As Zamo once said "just say no"

It doesn't need a risk assessment to refuse a dumb idea.
Rose Herridge  
#17 Posted : 17 May 2011 14:01:33(UTC)
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Rose Herridge

My only experience of this idea was a few years ago, one of the night admin staff took her dog into work "to keep her company" (?) the shift was for a week and nobody seemed to mind - the dog stayed under the desk and came out only for her teabreaks etc.
However, a couple of days after the shift had ceased - the day staff complained of bites - after investigating the problem it was found that the carpets in the area of her desk were infested with fleas!
Needless to say - the dog stayed at home when the shift pattern came round again!
L McCartney  
#18 Posted : 17 May 2011 15:53:03(UTC)
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L McCartney

Apart from allergies and fleas, wet doggie smell after walkies in the rain can be a bit over-powering. We had a guide dog who sometimes had wind - of course everyone in the office could just be blaming the dog!

In another office we had the guide dog was restricted to certain rooms as there were other employees with allergies and we had to make sure that the dog didn't get into meeting rooms where these folk might have to be at sometime.

Could always have kennels outside?

As to other pets, my cat is too lazy to go to work - that's my job - he relaxes all day.

Lilian

Lilian

Dave C  
#19 Posted : 17 May 2011 16:54:42(UTC)
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Dave C

But that's also the issue MaxPayne - not everyone thinks it is a dumb idea and ultimately it's not my decision to make, I can only express my considered opinions and advise.
Betta Spenden  
#20 Posted : 17 May 2011 20:09:24(UTC)
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Betta Spenden

The dog handlers at night used to bring their dogs into our T-bar back when I was a young lad in the Royal Air Farce. That was until one of the dogs slipped away one night and left a "Mr Whippy" on the wobbly oranges rug.

Laugh? I nearly bought a round of drinks. Now-a-days that incident would be classed as a slip, trip or fall.
TFCSM  
#21 Posted : 17 May 2011 20:45:52(UTC)
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TFCSM

Betta Spenden wrote:
Now-a-days that incident would be classed as a slip, trip or fall.


No, it would be classed as a dog having a crap, no one slipped tripped or fell.
MaxPayne  
#22 Posted : 18 May 2011 07:20:12(UTC)
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MaxPayne

Dave C wrote:
But that's also the issue MaxPayne - not everyone thinks it is a dumb idea and ultimately it's not my decision to make, I can only express my considered opinions and advise.


Dave, probably too flipant a remark for me to say it was a dumb idea, but the point I was trying to make was that it doesn't need a risk assessment for managers to justify what should be a simple management decision. Sounds like H&S being used once again as an excuse not to do something.
Leslie3048  
#23 Posted : 19 May 2011 10:15:51(UTC)
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Leslie3048

When I was in the Army all senior officers brought their dogs to work when in barracks and even brought them on the Battalion 5 and 10 mile runs! When I worked for the MOD as a civil servant senior officers always bought their dogs to work so civil servants started to. However, all had to provide proof of inocculations etc. All had to sign that they understood that any damage caused by their dog to carpets, furniture etc would be paid for. A sign had to be put on all office doors if there was a dog in the office. Throwing toys for the dogs to chase in office areas and corridors was banned. I do know that in some places the unions objected to dogs at work and they were banned in some government offices. My view is they should not be brought into work, but if they are then all staff must agree and strict controls must be in place.
Ken Slack  
#24 Posted : 19 May 2011 10:23:25(UTC)
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Ken Slack

I like the German approach, where dogs are accepted and allowed almost anywhere, even to the zoo, restaurants etc. But they have licensing and behavioural testing etc.
cres  
#25 Posted : 19 May 2011 10:41:50(UTC)
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cres

We allow dogs at our work place due to some staff having to work odd / long shifts and dog care is a genuine issue for them we do the following:

Having a dog on site is a privilege not a right and is for genuine cases.
Permission and the ultimate decision rests with the director.
Dogs must be insured for public liability.
All dogs must be kept in our dog room If there owners do not have a private office.
The dog room is an air conditioned office with cages for the dogs to go in if they wish there own space only sociable dogs are allowed in the dog room with a maximum of 4 (our 4 get on very well)
If owners have a private office they have a stair gate across their door and no one but them can enter their office, any meetings etc are conducted in our training or board rooms.
All dogs must be kept on leads around the building.
Any aggressive or excessively noisy, or excessively smelly dogs are not allowed.
If the dog is not happy in the situation they are not allowed.
We have a strict agreement regarding welfare,Walks etc we reserve the right to call a vet and treat if nessersary / owner can't be contacted.
we hold vets details, insurance details, innoculations etc and microchip details.
I have done a full risk assessment and at our site it works well.

Yes we have staff who don't like dogs but they do not have to come into contact with them at any point in their day. We find the staff who are able to have the dogs here are very careful to stick to the rules so they dont loose their privalege and we have never had any fouling issues as each owner is responsible for their dog and if one is ill,or caught short they clean it up immediatly.

Hope this may help.
Nick House  
#26 Posted : 19 May 2011 10:52:31(UTC)
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'Sorry, you can't bring your dog in any more, as it has a rather nasty odour problem emanating from its posterior region'.

Sorry - couldn't resist.

To be fair Cres, although that does seem to be overkill, it actually makes a lot of sense. I'd imagine that once past the initial 'set-up', it is very easy to manage.

Wouldn't have worked for me though - I had a Lab/ Staffie cross that thought it was a steeplechaser. Jumping stairgates was seen by him as an objective rather than a deterrent...
Safety Smurf  
#27 Posted : 19 May 2011 11:06:48(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

This thread has made me think of a hundred and one reasons why I wouldn't take my dog to work. Most of them regarding her temperament. Being a border collie she has a natural tendency to want to round everything up. I wonder if she'd make a good fire marshal?
MB1  
#28 Posted : 19 May 2011 11:47:44(UTC)
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MB1

My misses sometimes takes our king charles into her care home & the residents enjoy it.

Only problem is when in meetings in her office she has to take it out as our dog snores for England!
bilbo  
#29 Posted : 19 May 2011 12:00:41(UTC)
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bilbo

We had an incident report once when a "PAT" dog brought in for some of our service users to pet, pounced on some medication that was inadvertently dropped and proceeded to eat it with some gusto. Panic ensued with phone calls to the local vet and the poisons unit to establish if there were likely to be any adverse effects. Thankfully not - but the dog slept peacefully for a good few hours afterwards.
SP900308  
#30 Posted : 19 May 2011 14:33:35(UTC)
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SP900308

There will be those who love dogs and those who don't. I'm in the don't camp!

I don't like dogs at the best of times, if I had them in my office, I'd be really fed up (even more really fed up than usual!). I can't see how that would be useful to anyone - least of all a company trying to run an efficient workforce.

Next it'll be children or maybe the odd pony?!

TDS1984  
#31 Posted : 19 May 2011 15:22:46(UTC)
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TDS1984

SP900308 wrote:


Next it'll be children or maybe the odd pony?!



More likely if you work in Wrexham after todays news reports, one might suggest
SP900308  
#32 Posted : 19 May 2011 15:45:07(UTC)
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SP900308

I wonder, if they did start introducing dogs in our workplace, would we suddenly get those trees with the 'bags of lumps' hanging off the branches? - next to the poo bin of course.... nice!
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