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wainwrightbagger  
#1 Posted : 19 May 2011 11:46:37(UTC)
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wainwrightbagger

Dear All, I'm currently formulating a response to a colleague who has formally raised a concern about used tissues and would welcome another perspective. To give you some background, my organisation is putting in place a major recycling initiative which means that desk bins will be removed from all offices with a "central" recycling station in each office for paper, print cartridges, plastics etc and a general "landfill" receptacle. Great idea I hear you say, but the formal complaint I have received outlines that tissues used to blow noses etc now have nowhere to be stored at point of use! Staff are therefore likley to store them on their desks or as practice has confirmed from a trial, use a plastic bag to collect them together and taking to the landfill area at points during the day. The fear is that this practice is encouraging the spread of infection around offices and especially at the recycling points. The concerned member of staff believes this will lead to increased absence and presents a disproportionate risk for certain groups of vulnerable staff. I have my opinions on this, and have a draft response ready to go, my colleagues across the organisation share my thoughts, but just wondered what the collective minds of IOSH members migh think.
Safety Smurf  
#2 Posted : 19 May 2011 12:02:37(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Hi Wainwrightbagger, We got rid of wastepaper bins under desks a couple of years ago. I work in an open plan office in a 4 storey building with an average of about 70 people on each floor. 2 years later I still find it a pain in a&$e that there is no bin under my desk but it has had no impact on ilness or absence rates whatsoever. I suggest whoever made the complaint is fishing for any reason they can find not to get rid of their bin. I can sympathise with them but not because of any imagined increase in risk of disease.
Andrew W Walker  
#3 Posted : 19 May 2011 12:18:08(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

At my last place we got rid of the bins to a multitude of complaints. Tissues was one of the issues raised. The only teething problem we had was emptying the general waste bin, once that was sorted there were no issues. The complaints stopped dead in their tracks. As with Safety Smurf, no issues with time lost to communicable diseases! I too think this person is on a fishing expedition.
jay  
#4 Posted : 19 May 2011 13:23:23(UTC)
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jay

The key factor here should be getting the buy-in for recycling and educating the employees why "segregation" at point of initial disposal is the key to any successful recycling initiative. For that, depending upon the layout of the offices etc, it actually may make sense to have more paper recycling bins, strategically placed so that employees do not have to go too far to use the bins. There is no one size fits all solution.. The issue of hygienic disposal of soiled hand-tissues should not be underestimated (especially when we have been promoting the "Catch it, Bin It & Kill it" campaign during the swine flu epidemic and regularly reminded during the annual seasonal flu period-it is also good personal hygiene practice!). We have maintained the personal bins, but very they are used for soiled hand tissues etc, not general office waste paper waste!
Moderator 2  
#5 Posted : 19 May 2011 14:37:17(UTC)
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Moderator 2

Please can we remind forum users not use four letter words, swear words, or other words of similar ilk. Using asterisks, or substituting other non-alphabetical characters does not render them acceptable. Moderating team
elburt  
#6 Posted : 19 May 2011 14:59:41(UTC)
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elburt

The chances of catching an infection from used tissues is very small as most microorganisms do not live for very long outside of the body. The easiest way of catching a cold is from someone coughing and sneezing and not catching it if you know what I mean! Rarely when people have blown their noses or coughed in their hand do they then go and wash their hands, so the spread of germs is plentiful and are everywhere in the workplace on equipment etc. Most workplaces have central recycling and disposal points now and are not at more risk of cross contamination from used tissues than an office with bins on every desk and if they were then I feel sorry for your cleaning staff they must be off all the time!!?? I doubt it. We have recently reduced the amount of bins in our work places and this has not affected our sickness rates.
jay  
#7 Posted : 19 May 2011 15:45:24(UTC)
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jay

Just because there has not been a recognisable "rise" in sickness absence levels does not mean that good hygiene practice should not be followed! Refer to NHS gudiance on preventing seasonal flu. http://www.nhs.uk/Condit...lu/Pages/Prevention.aspx Preventing the spread of germs is the most effective way to slow the spread of flu. Good hygiene Always: •ensure you wash your hands regularly with soap and water, •clean surfaces regularly to get rid of germs, •use tissues to cover your mouth and nose when you cough or sneeze, and •put used tissues in a bin as soon as possible. Regarding protecting cleaners, they are supposed to have systems in place for preventing/minimising contact. http://www.nhs.uk/Condit...on/Pages/Prevention.aspx
chris.packham  
#8 Posted : 19 May 2011 16:03:55(UTC)
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chris.packham

Excessive hand washing is a common cause of occupational irritant contact dermatitis in healthcare workers. Skin damaged by excessive hand washing is more likely to become colonised by transient (potentialy pathogenic) micro-organisms. Currently the preferred approach is to wash hands only when visibly contaminated with organic matter and in place of hand washing to use a buffered alcohol sanitising rub. This can actually be used at the office desk, so eliminate the need for that person to walk to the washroom each time they sneeze! Studies have shown that the alcohol sanitiser (a) is very effective at preventing the transmission of micro-organisms and (b) if correctly formulated does not defat or damage the skin. It is even now being recommended for use in pre-operative hand decontamination, an illustration of its effectiveness. Chris
son of skywalker  
#9 Posted : 19 May 2011 16:28:14(UTC)
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son of skywalker

We went down this route in my work a couple of years ago. The black bag waste was a bit of a concern at first but it was solved by people getting up of their seats and walking (a strange concept) to the bin and putting their rubbish into it. If you blow your nose walk to the bin and bin it. No problems have been encountered in my workplace apart from manual handling issues which resulted in a couple more recycle bins going in place. Son of Skywalker
wainwrightbagger  
#10 Posted : 19 May 2011 16:35:05(UTC)
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wainwrightbagger

Thanks everyone. We all seem to share the same thoughts - and yes Smurf, I did get to read you're reply before moderation.... I agree! I've now responded to the individual concerned and have suggested the radical idea of walking to the bin and throwing the tissue in there! I await with trepidation the next thrilling instalment of the argument!!
Safety Smurf  
#11 Posted : 19 May 2011 17:28:11(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Wainwrightbagger wrote:
Thanks everyone. We all seem to share the same thoughts - and yes Smurf, I did get to read you're reply before moderation.... I agree! I've now responded to the individual concerned and have suggested the radical idea of walking to the bin and throwing the tissue in there! I await with trepidation the next thrilling instalment of the argument!!
A case of; "Get up off of your seat"!" ;-)
bob youel  
#12 Posted : 20 May 2011 07:26:27(UTC)
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bob youel

If your central waste bins etc are managed properly then U should have few problems. However time and again once the 'kudos' has vanished and kudos hunters have moved on to another theme the management of the waste becomes less than adequate
teh_boy  
#13 Posted : 20 May 2011 08:12:41(UTC)
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teh_boy

quote=Moderator 2]Please can we remind forum users <b>not use four letter words</b>, swear words, or other words of similar ilk. Using asterisks, or substituting other non-alphabetical characters does not render them acceptable. Moderating team
As it's Friday... Not to use 4 letter words? It really makes writing anything a bit difficulty. Where is moderator3 when you need them :) (see i failed) P.S. BAD SMURF!
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