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m  
#1 Posted : 17 May 2011 12:36:29(UTC)
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m

There are frequent posts requesting templates, procedures, etc that we have generated and deployed. Would it be a good idea to set aside an area where we can submit our work for others to use, adapt, share etc? Most of us will rarely start from a blank page so this could be a new starting place for all of us.
MrsBlue  
#2 Posted : 17 May 2011 13:25:31(UTC)
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Great idea m - only problem is when ever I see requests for this kind of stuff everyone is reluctant to share. Do we sing off the hymn sheet - I wonder sometimes. Rich
Andrew W Walker  
#3 Posted : 17 May 2011 14:45:53(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

I think its a great idea. People like myself, whose word skills are not brilliant, would benefit from it. I'm ok with the content, its just the design and how to put that onto paper. Also, seeing the way that other people approach things can give you a different perspective on things that can also be advantageous. The same as the forum posts on H&S matters. Andy
MrsBlue  
#4 Posted : 18 May 2011 11:59:20(UTC)
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Presumably because the last post on this subject was 14.45.53 yesterday 17 May no one else has a view. More importantly - anyone at IOSH got a view? - indeed has anyone at IOSH taken on board the original post and (wishful thinking) actively looking at this great idea? Probably Not!!! Rich
Terry556  
#5 Posted : 18 May 2011 12:03:38(UTC)
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Terry556

Good idea, lets see what happens
marshi  
#6 Posted : 18 May 2011 12:07:26(UTC)
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marshi

Fantastic idea, I for one would happily submit my templates, documents etc to this area. To me the whole idea of IOSH is to raise awareness and encourage best practice. If all we are going to do is hoard good ideas and useful tools then we are already at the top of the slippery slope to loosing what integrity we have. Come on IOSH, give us a sign!! What are your thoughts?
Kate  
#7 Posted : 18 May 2011 12:10:43(UTC)
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Kate

Isn't there an issue that (a) if you are employed, your work belongs to your employer and you are not free to publish it and (b) if you are self-employed, you aren't going to want to provide your services for free?
teh_boy  
#8 Posted : 18 May 2011 12:26:52(UTC)
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teh_boy

I hate to agree with Kate with on this... but how do you stop piracy and ensure copy right not breached? How do ensure quality of material? If it works how do you set up a search function??? etc etc Other sites already do this anyway... that said I am all for helping where I can, it's just that everything I make is so taylored for the specific use that it's hard to share some of it. Also removing logos etc takes time I don't have :)
MrsBlue  
#9 Posted : 18 May 2011 13:02:47(UTC)
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How can a simple template (minus content) be copyright. The content maywell be but and as for policies basic info is basic info where ever you work. So I don't except the arugument of copyright. Rich
martinw  
#10 Posted : 18 May 2011 13:09:48(UTC)
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martinw

The other forum has been doing this for ages. I am not advertising them but if you want to see how others already do it, take a look at http://www.healthandsafetytips.co.uk/Downloads.htm Martin
teh_boy  
#11 Posted : 18 May 2011 13:33:24(UTC)
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teh_boy

quote=rich777] So I don't except the arugument of copyright. Rich
Agree with what you are saying... However this needs to be policed, how do you ensure it is copy free as this becomes IOSH's responsibility!
JohnW  
#12 Posted : 18 May 2011 22:02:20(UTC)
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JohnW

rich777 wrote:
How can a simple template (minus content) be copyright. The content maywell be but and as for policies basic info is basic info where ever you work. Rich
Rich, A simple template may not be seen as copyright, but a very complex template could be. Most of mine are complex with a lot of thought and design, with considerable 'content' like checklists and questions and tools and flowcharts..... If it's just SIMPLE templates you seek then they should be simple to do yourself, yeah? Simples :o)))
Pompeykeef  
#13 Posted : 19 May 2011 09:12:33(UTC)
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Pompeykeef

Network Rail issue standards with templates for most Safety related issues The proviso is that the forms are not copyright but the standards are So the idea of a template available to all is bourne out through this Personally i think it is a great idea - for those who want to use it
MaxPayne  
#14 Posted : 20 May 2011 13:16:28(UTC)
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MaxPayne

I'd support the proposal as I've often Googled such templates looking for something toi either fit my needs or something I can modify rather than starting from scratch.
Grant1962  
#15 Posted : 20 May 2011 15:13:36(UTC)
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Grant1962

I agree with most previous replies in that certain people think that Knowledge is POWER and would not share a thing, me personally if I can help anyone else I am happy to do so. When looking at templates you face the process of actually assessing it in the first place, then maybe amending it, then reviewing it before deciding on something else entirely!! So it is a learning process and that is good. If it is copyrighted then do not do it, use your imagination and start from scratch. Grant
jde  
#16 Posted : 20 May 2011 15:53:24(UTC)
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jde

Surely as safety professionals, if we have a template that meets the requirements for "whatever" it is good practice to share it with others. Most templates in use have been designed and modernised from previous editions / ideas. If someone has copyrighted a design, so be it, it can't be used but I believe in our profession plagirism is alive and well and most of us have used others templates and developed them into one that suits our clients / employers needs. So come on IOSH, others do it, are not IOSH the trendsetters, leading body of professionals.
David Bannister  
#17 Posted : 20 May 2011 16:20:27(UTC)
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David Bannister

Kate's comment a #7 still holds good. The design element of a template has value, not only from the time taken by the designer but also because it will be a unique piece of work that can be found useful by others, and others have not been able or willing to produce for themselves (as proved by the requests to copy). An employer is entitled to claim it as the organisation's intellectual property if it has been produced during the employees working time. If an employee gives it away they may be in breach of a company rules and subject to a disciplinary process. Similarly, a consultant who has produced their own work may not want to give it away as a freebie. However, those who want to share will surely do so and those who don't, won't. It was ever so.
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