Welcome Guest! The IOSH forums are a free resource to both members and non-members. Login or register to use them

Postings made by forum users are personal opinions. IOSH is not responsible for the content or accuracy of any of the information contained in forum postings. Please carefully consider any advice you receive.

Notification

Icon
Error

Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Simon101  
#1 Posted : 20 May 2011 17:02:35(UTC)
Rank: New forum user
Simon101

Yes an old chestnut to those of us working in scientific research laboratories. However after many years working in the pharmaceutical industry where it was mandatory to wear a lab coat and safety glasses when you entered a laboratory and you did, I find myself back in academia where the majority of researchers haven't, as a norm, worn lab coats, etc, ever. So aren't very keen to start now. The Director is luke warm to the idea but I suspect in the back of his mind his conscience is pricking him especially as it is a directive from the corporate safety department. We have risk assessments that say lab coats and glasses are part of a standard control but it is often ignored, mainly as individuals don't feel all of their lab work justifies wearing them, which is true. If I'm to achieve my goal then I need to have a good justification in their eyes.
So my question: what have people tried in the past to overcome this behaviour? Any behaviour programmes out there that would address these issues that have been tried and tested on academics? What has worked well and what hasn't? Can anybody point me to suitable reference material? Thank you in anticipation.
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#2 Posted : 20 May 2011 17:34:44(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
Ian.Blenkharn

It changes only when:
a) you have effective management and make sure that a mandatory safety requirement is absolute, with penalties if need be, and
b) laboratory configurations that provide desk space away from and preferably outside the lab, to separate tasks that can be done sans coat from those done in areas where coats are obligatory

The latter may require complete reconfiguration of laboratory layout but that would be appropriate to comply with current laboratory safety and design standards. Once the layout and hardware is sorted with clear separation, enforced by moving PCs etc to desk areas, high benches to make then suitable for purpose but not convenient for desk-type work, and stools rather than chairs, the minds, and bodies, will be more likely to comply with the separations that you hope for
Merv  
#3 Posted : 20 May 2011 18:09:18(UTC)
Rank: Forum user
Merv

Back in my day, wheeze, cough, wheeze, wearing a white coat was a status symbol, separated you from the storekeepers (brown) and the maintenance (blue). Mind you "staff" ie qualified, always wore clean, fresh lab coats. Ours, lowly technicians, were always a bit tatty. And there was some pride in that. As there was for the different chemical dye stains on your hands (alizarin blue, phenolpthalein pink)

Reallyreally senior staff were so exalted they didn't need status symbols, just wore suits and ties.

No safety glasses, shoes or gloves. No face masks, fume hoods or extraction.

I do still remember the memorial plaque on the wall of my very first lab. "died in faithfull pursuit of his duties"

I think he was said to have pipetted pasturella pestis (plague) though it might have been botulinum.

I only caught whooping cough.

Happy days

Merv
Merv  
#4 Posted : 20 May 2011 18:13:30(UTC)
Rank: Forum user
Merv

On a more serious note, think about behavioural safety where one of the preferred behaviours could be "wearing appropriate PPE"

There are plenty of consultants who could advise you on that. Not just me

Merv
A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 23 May 2011 12:15:19(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
A Kurdziel

When I get depressed about our labs I pay a visit to a university. This cheers me up no end as far a facilities go. The safety culture is also much weaker. I think that most universities still have a very devolved approach to management with departments and faculties working as independent fiefdoms often with their own local Safety officers. These guys do their best but many are still not full time H&S bods and they tend to be very good at the own speciality ( COSHH , GMO, radiation) but often miss out the more generic stuff like manual handling, DSE . They also tend to identify to closely with the work; don’t really have an independent view so tolerate behaviours like not wearing lab coats etc.

Jane Blunt  
#6 Posted : 23 May 2011 13:42:16(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
Jane Blunt

Simon - what sort of lab work is it? What sort of materials are they using? Do they in all honesty need lab coats etc?

A Kurdziel  
#7 Posted : 23 May 2011 16:28:10(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
A Kurdziel

Jane
In theory in each lab someone should sit down and decide (based on a risk assessment) who needs to wear what PPE when. This is a council of perfection.
If you are dealing with anything other than the most benign chemicals I would recommend that staff wear safety glasses and labcoats. Not only to protect themselves (and their clothing) but also to stops them spreading the chemical reagents and possible bioagents around the site. When I started my current job it was not unusual to see people in the canteen wearing lab coats!
Interestingly it was the microbiologists who took wearing labcoats the most seriously and the chemists who tended to be the most lax.

Jane Blunt  
#8 Posted : 24 May 2011 06:46:05(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
Jane Blunt

A Kurdziel - I am aware of all this, but the term 'laboratory' goes an awful lot wider than chemical and biological work. We have lots of laboratories, many of them have neither chemicals nor biologicals. Hence my question.
Jane
Users browsing this topic
Guest
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.