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Tigers  
#1 Posted : 26 May 2011 15:42:08(UTC)
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Tigers

Question:

Who is responsible for the fire asesmbly point in a multi occupancy building? As I see it, it cannot be the individual employer as we would have 10 - 20 evacuation points one for each office. Would I be correct in assuming it would be tha landlords responsibility?
Safety Smurf  
#2 Posted : 26 May 2011 15:53:36(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Hi tigers,
What is it you think they should be responsible for? Is the landlord (or representative) likely to be present in the event of a fire? If it is the safety of the individuals then that would be the responsibility of each individual employer.
Tigers  
#3 Posted : 26 May 2011 15:57:54(UTC)
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Tigers

We had an evacuation in one of our multi occupancy buildings yesterday and the question was asked of signage - does everyone evacuate to the same point or should each employer have their own arrangements for evac points. If its is as I suspected, should the landlord provide the upkeep of the signs.
Safety Smurf  
#4 Posted : 26 May 2011 16:04:52(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Unless it's specified specifically in the lease, responsibility will lay with the occupier of the premises (you). Although you could all use the same assembly point it might be easier to have one each or a number of smaller ones. one thing you should most definately be doing is liaising with the other businesses in the building so that at least you all know what the other is doing.

We have sole occupancy of this building but have four assembly points because of crowd management.
MB1  
#5 Posted : 26 May 2011 16:11:28(UTC)
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MB1

tigers,

The answer to most of this should be in your fire risk assessment... you have fire action notice and where does it tell you to muster?
It's important for multi occupants to communicate and agree with each other as to what arrangements (jointly if agreed upon).

If you cannot agree on a simple sign... make your own????
Ron Hunter  
#6 Posted : 26 May 2011 16:33:28(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

The assembly point (place of safety) is often beyond the curtilage of the occupied building at a public open space - often the obvious case in any busy City Centre.

I think this answers your questions. No signage required. And do make sure that the Fire Brigade don't have to fight their way past your assembled masses to reach the fire!!!!
Bob Shillabeer  
#7 Posted : 26 May 2011 18:07:45(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

The fire assemmbly point is the responsibility of the employer not the builing owner. This was put into practice in the office I last worked in and it worked very well. All your staff need to know where to go and you need to ensure that they are safe from other dangers such as road traffic etc. We operated a senior fire marshal process through which the building operator was informed when all our people were out of the building. The responsibility of the employer extends to thier employees and visitors during such an evacuation and to rely upon the building manager is to be honest a big duck out.
Tigers  
#8 Posted : 27 May 2011 08:24:46(UTC)
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Tigers

Thanks for those who repolied. The main point was who pays for the signage when it need replacing. My thoughts are that the premises owners should, but some answers seem to tell a different story.
David Bannister  
#9 Posted : 27 May 2011 11:12:57(UTC)
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David Bannister

Tigers, if I was the building owner but not an occupant I would be tempted to ask "why is an assembly point needed?"

The answers may include references to "we" and "our" and my response would then include "you"

The onus is on you as employer to ensure your employees and visitors are safe. If you choose to use a roll-call method to ensure that your people are accounted for then you need to organise this. You can of course ask the landlord to set up muster or assembly points but they will be sure to pass on any costs by way of the service charge, so you still end up footing the bill.

You could ask to see a copy of their fire risk assesment of the common and landlord's areas to see whether this aspect is mentioned...
tomorton  
#10 Posted : 31 May 2011 16:35:58(UTC)
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tomorton

We are in a multi-occupied building with 3 organisations resident. We have laisied to ensure we have separate assembly points to assist checking for persons present / absent and to leave access route safely clear for Fire personnel. Actually, it was the landlord's fire alarm system consultant who facilitated the discussions and planning.
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