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Lojikglos  
#1 Posted : 10 June 2011 08:06:49(UTC)
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Lojikglos

Hi everyone i have tried finding answer through search facility but I am not getting the information I need so was hoping someone may help. I have heard rumors that by the end of the year freelance health and safety consultants MUST be registered on some kind of consultants list. The idea being that to be freelance chartered membership must have been attained therefore competent H+S would be assured and negate the cowboy element within the industry. From what I can gather this is on a voluntary basis at the moment but have heard that it will be compulsory. Can anyone shed further light on this and point me in the right direction so I can do further research myslef. cheers
chas  
#2 Posted : 10 June 2011 08:35:14(UTC)
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chas

Have a look at this link http://www.oshcr.org/
bob youel  
#3 Posted : 10 June 2011 08:36:46(UTC)
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bob youel

There is no law saying that any free lance people have to be on any kind of register/list so if you can go on getting work get it; as word of mouth and direct marketing and sales to get business is the usual way in any case and noting that bad decisions are not made by H&S [on the whole] but by managers etc so irrespective of any lists etc things will not really change in my personal view as good advice will still be disregarded and the press will still be as they are As a person to date I have operated via my various clients insurance cover which is perfectly legal and acceptable provided its suitable [the same system that is used for in-house H&S people] however to be on the official register/ list there is a requirement to have your own insurance cover which pushes up costs to your clients; cost increases being a thing that the government and every other area want us to drop not raise This subject has been discussed so do a search on this site and talk to IOSH direct noting that time and again people are doing work e.g. Supporting schools, shops, friends etc where they have no insurance cover, are not on any register/list nor in many cases are they competent Politically people in high places want H&S people to be on registers/lists but that is against the principal of free business enterprise and the people in high places appear to only want H&S people on registers/lists noting that you can open 'any' other type of business in the UK without being on any kind of list nor being competent in that area! All the above said if we as a profession do noting then we will not move forward so we need to get with insurers and others to push the facts to their clients; schools etc that even freebie H&S advice needs to be via competent people and that they will withdraw insurance where such advice is found to be lacking. Therefore we do need some kind of register As a chartered member I would like to see the parameters of the register re evaluated because a very cleaver person can get a degree/MSC etc yet give poor advice so competence should be more that just having insurance and a certain qualification Just my thoughts/best of luck
chris.packham  
#4 Posted : 10 June 2011 09:39:57(UTC)
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chris.packham

In my view the register is merely another bureaucratic exercise. All it does it indicate that those who are on the register have some sort of qualification. The user still has to confirm that the person from the register that they have selected has the necessary competency to carry out the particular work that they need. As someone not on the register, and who in any case would not qualify, but who has specialised in one particular aspect of health and safety, I encounter situations where those who would qualify to be on the register, who have a general knowledge of health and safety, have provided advice in my particular area of expertise that is simply not correct, simply because they did not know that they did not know! As I understand it, on the register you can indicate the areas in which you feel you are competent, but there is no mechanism to check that what you are claiming is correct. (I am prepared to be proved wrong on this, of course!) If you don't know that you don't know enough about a particular topic how do you decide whether you are competent to advise in this particular area of health and safety? Chris
Heather Collins  
#5 Posted : 10 June 2011 09:51:14(UTC)
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Heather Collins

To answer the original question without getting into a huge discussion (again) on the merits of the OSHCR ;-0 this is just a rumour. Not to say it won't happen eventually - who knows - but right now if such a thing were to happen and be compulsory it would need a much longer lead-in time than 6 months.
MB1  
#6 Posted : 10 June 2011 09:55:14(UTC)
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MB1

I would expect that some kind of research may be undertaken to see how effective the register has been before deciding on any compulsory system?
D Newton  
#7 Posted : 10 June 2011 10:32:12(UTC)
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D Newton

Hello all just like to make a comment as a new member to IOSH , although I feel very confident advising and carrying out Health and Safety activities such as Risk assessments and reporting to clients,I have questioned do I need to be registered as a consultant!!
MB1  
#8 Posted : 10 June 2011 10:46:18(UTC)
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MB1

As Bob says above.... There is no legal requirement to apply to be on the register and indeed depends on the criteria if you would be eligible to apply also? There are many posts on this forum regarding the pros & cons as to how and why this register was pushed through, it is up to you as an individual to decide if it would be in your own interest to register!
John M  
#9 Posted : 10 June 2011 10:50:04(UTC)
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John M

No requirement to be on a register. There are better ways to spend £60.00. Jon
Lojikglos  
#10 Posted : 10 June 2011 13:11:44(UTC)
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Lojikglos

Wow Despite searching I wasnt able to find this kind of information on the forum. That said though seems Quite a few people have strong opinions , which is what its all about i guess. I appreciate that some of the people can please some of the time . . . but I feel that the register would be a good thing, certainly if a H+S specialism was highlighted and IMHO would reduce the cowboy element out there that do offer poor advice to clients etc Anyway thanks to all and have a good weekend
ianhutchings100  
#11 Posted : 10 June 2011 16:13:58(UTC)
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ianhutchings100

Hi I think the register is useful for consultants to also find support from other consultants. Only yesterday I used the register to identify someone to potentially assist me with some construction work. You obviously need to do your own checking and get references etc. However, it's useful as an initial filter. I accept that it's not a final measure of competence, but would encourage its use.
Wizard  
#12 Posted : 13 June 2011 10:46:09(UTC)
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Wizard

Lojikglos, sorry to hi-jack your thread but and interesting and topical subject. Helen, quoted "To answer the original question without getting into a huge discussion (again) on the merits of the OSHCR ;-0 this is just a rumour. Not to say it won't happen eventually - who knows - but right now if such a thing were to happen and be compulsory it would need a much longer lead-in time than 6 months." My question is to all, but as Helen planted the thought in my mind, I ask her firstly do you think that would work successfully. Would 6 months be eneough time.? What will be the pitfalls, as would it rid the world of incompetence ? how will this be measured? What will be the successes of such a plan, how will that be measured? or monitored. Regards Wizard
Wizard  
#13 Posted : 13 June 2011 10:47:35(UTC)
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Wizard

sorry should be Heather not Helen, damn, wrong potion again! Wizard
jharrison1  
#14 Posted : 13 June 2011 12:41:12(UTC)
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jharrison1

Lord Young’s idea of a register was rapidly taken up by IOSH perhaps because they saw a huge potential market for training. At around £3000 to £4000 to achieve Grad IOSH and Chartered status there is probably a £multi-million market just from existing IOSH members. I have TechIOSH membership and over 20 years experience in H & S and am certain the register will be discriminatory against people with lower qualifications than Grad IOSH. I have already lost two possible clients because they consulted the register. One Company was persuaded by a supplier register they subscribe to that indicated I didn't have adequate qualifications when I was listed on their H & S statement in the application. The only other professions in the UK that have a register are within the medical and legal fields so why do we need this. A qualification and register won't guarantee competence. Lord Young’s report was based on a wrong premise that 'Consultants' gave bad advice to clients. I have yet to see the evidence from which that conclusion was drawn!! If Lord Young just used media sources that is incompetence in itself. The media have jumped on issues that were in the public domain not the workplace and it has overflowed into all areas of health and safety and IOSH has done its members a disservice by pushing the CH status only register and not listening to members that a tiered status register was needed not exclusively CH Status. In any report I ever do I have to provide evidence for my statements or I am soon 'shot down'. The HSE response in 2010 claimed it was developing a structured register to take account of long experience TechIOSH and other members, here we are well into 2011 and where is it? - it should have been done to start with!! Come on IOSH support your members effectively and stop the 'elitism'!!
Victor Meldrew  
#15 Posted : 13 June 2011 13:17:01(UTC)
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Totally agree with you jharrison - I have had a very good relationship with a consultant in recent years and he has asked me on occasions to do some work where he doesn't feel comfortable, which is admirable...... a man needs to know his limitations..... this has worked very well but now here comes the crunch; one of the consultants’ clients has now asked me to do ALL the work including that of the consultant. This is due to the fact that I'm on the OSHCR and he isn't. I've asked them why....? when he's been doing such a good job and the response is that he isn't on the register so can't be good enough........ I suppose the phrase that springs to mind for those bodies that have decided who and with what qual's get on the register is the six 'Ps'......Proper Planning Prevents Poor Performance....I’ve left one 'P' out obviously ;-)
firesafety101  
#16 Posted : 13 June 2011 13:18:17(UTC)
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firesafety101

There has to be a level to start with and the decision was made for that to be CMIOSH as that is a proven level of competence. Personally I think the register is a good idea and, as written by jharrison clients are beginning to use the register to decide on potential consultants. I am on the register but have not yet gained any work from it but that's OK as it only cost me £30.00 to join. If I just get one job it will be money well spent. Take it if you can or just leave it alone. By the way there are three fire risk assessors registers on the go. I am not on any of those mainly due to the high cost and the jumping through hoops. I still get fire risk assessments to do without them.
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