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I have recently been asked to write some H & S policies and undertake some basic risk assessments as a consultant for two local companies.
I know times 'is ard' but does anybody have any ideas as to a daily rate or fee scale for the Anglia region?
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Is this as part of normal employment? If so, then your employer will be the best person to set a rate for your services. You are unlikely to be an existing consultant as you have posed the question which leaves only one other possibility.
I am a consultant who is on hard times but as you aren't moonlighting in my area I will not be rude.
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Clearly I can undercut the market and take anything I can get which helps no one, or, I can try not to undervalue the job.
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Evening,
Sorry I cannot help but I have one question;
Do you have Professional Indemnity Insurance?
Take Care
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Hi
We have just had a consultant in for 12 days, at £675!!! per day not bad eh
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David1967 wrote:Hi
We have just had a consultant in for 12 days, at £675!!! per day not bad eh
I wish I had the balls to charge that high a fee.
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I consider myself as one of the good guys re H&S consultancy. Whenever I am asked to do policies and risk assessments I point the client toward http://www.hse.gov.uk/si...-health-safety/index.htm in an effort to educate the client to do it themselves.
The usual reply I get is "too busy" and then I carry on doing the work. If the work is for a small employer I will use the HSE stuff anyway, "if it's not broke don't fix it".
I don't charge a high fee - and usually get invited back. They may see me as a soft touch but I earn enough to keep me going and get lots of repeat business. The only exception I make is when asked to do fire risk assessment as I consider that to be a more specialised area.
Different matter when the client is a construction contractor and my fee will be in with their price I then go a little higher.
My fees range from £35.00 to £40.00 per hour - or £200.00 to £895.00 a day depending on the work and the client. (The latter is not very often I may add).
I have PI insurance and do an honest tax return every year, all above board. My CPD is up to date and I keep myself in touch.
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The one time I was a salaried consultant, about 20 years ago, my employer charged about 3 000 pounds sterling per day for my services. which was just about my monthly salary. When I went independent I set the rate at 500/day. Fine, until I got offered a job I didn't much want : Management HSE training in a mining camp to the north of Niger. Asking for 1 000/day didn't put them off so I had to go. Noblesse oblige. So that was my starting fee from then on. It gradually got ramped up to 2000/day until the credit crunch when I had to drop back to 1500/day until I eventually retired a couple of years ago. And still get calls inviting me back.
You get what the client thinks you are worth.
Merv
Leans back on laurel stuffed office chair, sips light Beaujolais.
Well, it is hot out there today.
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Based upon my calculations which include a reasonable uplift to cover your business expenses, IT, PI insurance (including runoff), car, fuel and a third down time, if your aspiration is to earn £30k per year you should be charging at least £423 plus VAT per day. For £40k it should be £564 and £50k £705.
Unfortunately the market day rate for sole-practitioners is often much lower, therefore someone offering H&S a consultancy at £300 or less per day is either being forced to draw down a very low professional income or something is not correctly adding up.
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Are you on the consultants register???? if not be careful
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stephenjs,
Why do you ask that question?
I know some excellent consultants who could go on the register but refuse to at this stage. Some of whom were making presentations at IOSH & BSC sponsored events earlier this year.
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I am similarly intrigued why anybody should be "..careful.." if they are not on "..the consultants register"!
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Have to agree with Fletcher & Phil.
I don't qualify apparently for the consultants register, however I will continue to consult and work as I do and, going by my experience of what I do and what I see around I have nothing to worry about as I can perform works that are well in excess of those exhibited by some who are on the consultants register.
You will never however, find me working outside that which I feel I am competent to do.
The line is firmly drawn as far as I am concerned and it works for me.
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By choice, I too am not on "the register" why do I need to be careful?
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I am on the register but I am also always careful.
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I'm always careful and not a consultant!
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Going back to the original query, the IOSH Guide for consultants is a helpful read - downloadable from 'Information and resources'. It includes outline calcs to help you decide a suitable day rate. Of course what the market will bear is a different issue, as some others have pointed out it may be higher or lower than what you consider a 'minimum fair reward' for your expertise.
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Consultancy fees - £700-800 per day, sole trader/freelance. Very busy!
Not on the consultants register - no intention of joining. Waste of time.
Not IOSH member.
Why do I need to be careful?
In my view decent salary is not £30k! etc
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Some of you saying "£700 a day" are in specialist fields like oil and gas. Good for you and I'm happy that you have plenty of work but you won't get that kind of money doing a few risk assessments and writing policies and the OP needs to understand that.
To the OP - do look at the advice given in the IOSH Consultancy guide on how to work out a daily rate, it's very useful.
I am on the Register and I am always careful ;-) but I would agree with the posters who say there's absolutely no NEED to be on the Register to be a consultant and no reason why you should "take care" just because you aren't on it.
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quote=Sdkfz181]Consultancy fees - £700-800 per day, sole trader/freelance. Very busy!
Not on the consultants register - no intention of joining. Waste of time.
Not IOSH member.
Why do I need to be careful?
In my view decent salary is not £30k! etc
Sorry, but I feel that this specific posting should be ignored as it appears to be deliberately provocative.
As a Safety Practitioner, I always aim to be careful!
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Sdkfz181 wrote:Consultancy fees - £700-800 per day, sole trader/freelance. Very busy!
Not on the consultants register - no intention of joining. Waste of time.
Not IOSH member.
Why do I need to be careful?
In my view decent salary is not £30k! etc
If you are not careful you must be careless! I hope you are well insured?
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Stedman wrote:quote=Sdkfz181]
Sorry, but I feel that this specific posting should be ignored as it appears to be deliberately provocative.
Why is the posting by Sd...181 provocative?
If thats the going rate in his/her area of consultancy specialism, then its fair for all to know what consultancy fees can be charged in certain areas of h&s work. Also the views on the consutancy register seem fair enough, its not a legal requirement to be on it or a member of IOSH to work as a consultant.
I don't charge that, but I am well aware such fees can be charged and are paid by some clients.
Its a free consultancy 'market' - if thats what works in this case, then good luck.
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stephenjs,
Still wondering why if a practitioner is not on the OSHCR they need to be careful?
It is my view that ALL H&S practitioners should be careful by;
being adequately insured ( independently or through a their company),
competent to give the advice they give at the level they give it (through experience, ability, knowledge
and qualification)
and up to date with changing legislation.
This to me adds up to being careful irrespective whether on the OSHCR or a member of IOSH at whatever grade.
Take Care
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